SIPEDO SEZ

Any group that discriminates against anyone for any reason should not exist. I thought churches imply that all are welcome.

yes dida, he did say that he is dating in the article I read

Vittorio, your statement is flawed, you need to rephrase it.

For example, Sexual Predators, Child Molestors are not allowed within a certain distance of chldren or schools, or other places where children are present.

If a child molestor came to my church, he could not be welcomed based on the laws of this state and country.

Is it discrimination? Absolutely! Is it necessary? Inarguably.

Does that mean that the child molestor is ineligible to receive the grace of God? No.

I know this might be the extreme, but you get my point.

Ray Boltz led many to believe a lie for many years. He says he feels better about it now instead of hiding, but the truth is, he must now face his critics.

Are we to judge him? Like dida just wrote, "rebuke the rebellious, if he repents, restore him, if he doesn't, don't associate with him".

Vittorio, everybody discriminates. Everybody. Some discrimination is needed, and valid, other types are wrong. I don't think this qualifies as wrong. If a practicing homosexual came to my church, they would be loved, but they could not be allowed into leadership.

Remember, some people have discriminating taste, and this is no different.

absolutely NOT.......BEING GAY IS NOT LIKE HAVING A COMMUNICABLE DISEASE.......GOSH ...a church is supposed to be loving and accepting which ONCE AGAIN,,CLOUDS ALL MY DOUBTS ABOUT THE FREAKING CORPORATIONS CALLING THEMSELVES CHURCHES......OF GOD......NONE THE LEAST........I AM YET TO FIND IN THE BIBLE ANY CONDEMNATION OF GAY OR ANY OTHER HUMAN........LOVE THY NEIGHBOR......ISN'T THAT WHAT IT READS........NOT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR BUT NOT IF HE IS GAY............MY FATHER WAS GAY, I DIDN'T FIND OUT UNTIL I WAS 28........I LOVE MY FATHER VERY MUCH AND I WAS VERY PROUD OF HIM.....HE WAS A GOOD MAN; A GOOD PROVIDER AND A WONDERFUL LOVING FATHER AND NEVER EVER CAN I SAY I SAW ANYTHING BAD............GET A LIFE....

Candy, nobody said to NOT LOVE anybody. In fact, Jesus was quite clear "love you enemies, and do good to those who persecute you".

God's grace is enough. He said it to the Apostle Paul, and that message is just as true today.

Are gay people capable of being "good"? In the eyes of many, yes. They can be loving parents, dedicated workers and so on. Are they good in the eyes of God?

The answer is simple, NOBODY IS RIGHTEOUS. Nobody. It is only because of Jesus that we have a chance. Man is exceedingly wicked, this is the core of the heart of every man and woman, and boy and girl. So when you tell me to get a life? I have, but only because Jesus made that possible. Before that, I had no life.

"practicing homosexuality" is no more wrong then "practicing heterosexuality" - whatever that is.

randy, your statememt, however sincere, does not change the truth

there are still people today that believe the world is flat

practice whatever it is that you want, but it won't make anything perfect

perfection is reserved for hereafter and only to those who trust in Christ

sound narrowminded? Well, it is.

Narrow is the gate that leads communion with the One God, and broad is the road that leads to destruction

I'll agree with you on that single point candy

And I mean no disrespect to you father

However, I do not believe that God created Man for Man and Woman for Woman.

I do not believe it is logical, and I honestly believe it is just a symptom of the larger issue of the sinful human condition.

Many people live with the urges of homosexuality, but choose not to act on them because God has written HIS law on their hearts.

Just as those who have quit smoking, in many cases, still feel that urge spark up a cigarette.

Just as those who have given up other things sometimes stumble and fall back into their old ways.

I would be curious to get some response to this. There are two communities in the United States where Alcohol and Drug Abuse are the most prevalent. Homosexuals and Native Americans. Moreso than any other segment of American Society.

Would anybody care to expound upon it.

I KNOW what the Bible says about it. It's VERY clear what God THINKS about it. But I am
NOT so pure, untarnished, unstained, without blemish, and free of sin that I could POSSIBLY
say that a man who has written such high praises to his Creator should be banished from
fellow Christians, and his music tossed aside
like pornographic trash. I believe this is something he will have to come to terms with between himself and The LORD, not Man!

Sipedo THANK YOU ...I appreciate your sincerity...that meant alot. On the other hand, I am not saying I don't agree with you cause trust me MY MOTHER WAS A SAINT......really, she never ever drank; heard loud music, always had her bible......very religious indeed (where was DFYS when I was growing up) so I don't believe the Lord made man for man or vise-a-versa..ALL I AM SAYING..is that if one is....gay.....then why demean that person and bring that person down....SOME OF THE LOVIEST AND HONEST PEOPLE I KNOW TODAY ARE GAY......that's what I am saying.

This isn't about freedom as Americans, it is about morality and biblical lifestyle standards of those who profess Christianity. To that end we only have to read Romans chapter 1 to understand the issues and God's perspective.