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by sipedo from Brooksville, Florida

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I pulled this off of a website, http://www.carm.org and I am posting it here.

I think people of faith could learn a lot from this article.  Maybe even northton could learn a little from it.

I have highlighted parts of the points that stuck out to me.

  1. Labeling Atheists
    1. Some Christians have labeled atheists as evil, stupid, devil-worshippers, or morally void. Though there may be some atheists who fit these categories (as would many in the general population), atheists are not categorically evil, stupid, devil-worshipping, degenerates with no morals. Many of them are fine citizens, honest, caring, loving, and patient. For a Christian, or anyone for that matter, to make a blanket statement about atheists in a derogatory manner is wrong. It is the same thing atheists sometimes do when they accuse Christians of being irrational, psychotic, or stupid. Such accusations have no place on either side of the argument of truth.

      Generally speaking, atheists are not stupid. Many of them have thought through their position over a long period of time and arrive at conclusions after much thought. Some were raised in religious homes, have seen what religion has to offer, and have rejected it. Of course, I think that atheists have drawn incorrect conclusions about God, but it doesn't mean they are dumb. Some atheists have presented very cogent arguments against the existence of God, which need to be addressed.

      So, just because someone believes in God and encounters someone who doesn't, that does not mean that either side is stupid.  Labeling and name-calling have no place in the discussion.

  2. Ignoring Atheists' Questions
    1. If you were standing on a railroad track and a train was heading your way, closing your eyes and ignoring the locomotive will not make it go away.  If an atheist asks a question and you ignore it repeatedly, it would be fair for him to conclude you were incapable of answering the objection.  Of course, this does not mean you have to always answer everything because dialogue flows both ways.  But, it is important that you face issues.  If you don't have an answer, admit it. That's okay.   It doesn't mean you are wrong.  It means you don't have an answer.  Go study and get an answer and get back to him.
  3. Stating that Atheism is a religion
    1. Atheists will repeatedly tell you that they are not in a religion. A religion almost always is defined to include belief in a deity of some sort. Atheism is non-belief in a deity. It isn't necessarily a "belief that there is no God," (though it can be)but is "not believing either way."

      To label an atheist as a religious person is to put up a roadblock to effective communication. It would be like someone saying to a Christian, "You believe in a mean, tyrannical being who likes to torture people." The Christian would simply roll his eyes and think that the person doesn't know what he's talking about. So, how much effective conversation could there be in either instance?  Not much.

  4. Stating unsupportable facts
    1. No one has all documentation for everything they say.  It is not reasonable to require proof from an atheist on everything said.  Nevertheless, if you are going to state a fact or two, it is good to have the documentation at the tip of your tongue -- at least occasionally, of have access to it.  It adds to your credibility.  Of course, you don't have to document everything, but if you have some illustrious fact to use, try and have it documented. Never admitting when you are wrong
    1. Pride is a harmful thing.  It caused the fall.  It ruins marriages.  It leads to anger and self-righteousness.  It has no place in the Christian's life.  Never admitting you are wrong is being prideful.  If an atheist, or anyone, proves you wrong is something, be kind and courteous.  Admit you made a mistake and go on.  Everyone makes mistakes, even atheists.  There is nothing wrong with admitting an error.  It no more proves you are wrong about Christianity than being wrong about the color of a boat means boats don't exist.  But, if you never admit when you are wrong, you will not be able to convince anyone in a discussion of your position.  You will simply lose the respect of the one with whom you are debating.
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northton read my blog view my photos
Jul 25, 2008 | 8:00 PM

Very nice post Jfore.

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
Jul 25, 2008 | 11:12 PM

Wow...Sipedo.....I thought you were a Christian..at heart...while I enjoyed your blogs...and it makes sense...I have to wonder why would you, if you are a preacher or preach at a church that's christian WOULD bring this up......and be so specific...as christian's we are to love one another NO MATTER WHAT GENDER, COLOR OR RELIGION...........I am now confused....you said: I go to church, but I believe the church as a whole may be way out of touch with their mission and their God. I am a church music director, youth worker and consider myself a person of deep faith. However, I know that I am human and sometimes do and say some stupid things. ( I believe the latter was the instant case in this blog?)

northton read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 7:24 AM

LOL Sorry. I meant Sipi.

YBSRobin read my blog
Jul 26, 2008 | 9:40 AM

Actually Sipedo, this is a really excellent topic and I can see why, Christian or not, you shared it with us. Many people spend way too much time judging others when it's not our place to do so. And just because someone has a difference of opinion in the way they believe, does not make that person any less intelligent.

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 11:17 AM

well I guess my other response wasn't favorable............Freedom of Speech.....

sipedo read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 12:12 PM

Cany, what other response? the first one?
I am a church youth and music director. First and foremost, however, I am a Christian. I do believe that the Church as a whole is missing the mark, and that stretches across denominational lines. The Church has two specific missions, in my opinion, and when they get outside of the those, they are in dangerous territory.

The first is the Great Commandement.
Jesus said, and I paraphrase: Love God First and Most and Best AND, Love your NEIGHBOR as yourself (note, we ARE supposed to love ourselves).
The second specific thing is The Great Commission. Jesus said: Go into the world and preach the GOOD NEWS, baptize them and make disciples.

The church has become involved with many political issues that have nothing to do with their mission. The missions I mentioned are the ONLY missions that the church should be involved with. I believe anything that falls outside of the context of The Great Commandment and The Great Commission is totally outside of the perfect Will of God, and that God is not pleased with it.

I think there may be some misunderstanding about my post. I did not write the points, but for the most part I agree with them.

Thanks norty for the vote of confidence.

YBS, I appreciate a good debate on the topic of the existence of God. I don't have all the answers, but I know that those who do not believe in God don't have all the answers either.

I want to hear from jfore and dida on this.

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2008 | 6:29 PM

Sipedo..didn't see it there before maybe its this delayed thingy going on...in any event, to me I have never looked at anyone differ from me, whether they believe or not in God; I just do like you just indicated I preached my experiences and I adhere to all other's opinion and experiences...my curiousity was I guess in the way the post is written it almost sounds like YOU'RE DEFENDING some "athiest' person or persons....and why? There's has to be something behind it? did you have an encounter and/or conversation that leads you to this post??? ANYWAYS.....GOD BLESS.....

sipedo read my blog view my photos
Jul 27, 2008 | 11:14 PM

I frequently have discussions with people who are exploring their faith option. Personally, I do not believe there is such a thing as an atheist. The simple truth is that they just do not know whether God exists or not. Many atheists are very educated and possess admirable qualities, but they have constructed or had constructed obstructions along the way that have led to their lack of belief.

80sMetalHead read my blog view my photos
Jul 28, 2008 | 8:14 AM

good post, sip.
My best friend is an athiest and he's had a few rough patches along the way but nothing that anyone would consider terrible. He was just raised in a home where religion wasn't even present. He is a hardcore athiest and won't budge.

sipedo read my blog view my photos
Jul 28, 2008 | 10:36 AM

So, someone taught him to be an atheist? Well, like I Said, I don't believe in atheists, and if pressed, he probably does not fit the definition.

80sMetalHead read my blog view my photos
Jul 28, 2008 | 11:44 AM

Well, not sure if he was taught to be an atheist. he just WASN'T taught about God or religion. Parents are Jewish but VERY VERY nonpracticing. He just believes that when you die, it's lights out and nothing more. He'll tell you that people want to believe in God and Heaven as a way of making themselves feel better about losing a loved one. He'll say that there is no God making anything happen, you bring it all on yourself. I could go on...he drives me nuts!!!

Gammies61 read my blog view my photos
Jul 28, 2008 | 12:29 PM

Great post sipedo!

sipedo read my blog view my photos
Jul 28, 2008 | 6:01 PM

sad for him 80's

Thanks Gammies, you are the rockinest gammie I know.

northton read my blog view my photos
Jul 28, 2008 | 6:14 PM

Sipi suffers from the delusion that everyone else is unsure of their beliefs because the truth of his own beliefs are undeniable.

Gammies61 read my blog view my photos
Jul 29, 2008 | 9:14 AM

Thanks sipedo! I play a mean air guitar!

DeborahLakeHelen read my blog view my photos
Jul 29, 2008 | 2:25 PM

Gammies is Rock Solid in many ways, Sip! She has belief's from which she won't waver, is passionate about her BEAUTIFUL Grandbabies, and loyal to the bone to her family.
There is someone here who has stooped SO LOW as to trash, belittle, insult and make fun of her beautiful, precious, adorable, Grandbabies. They are nothing more than an ignorant, lowlife, worthless pile of regurgitated, rodent entrails not fit for a buzzard to swallow. Of course, THAT PERSON, like many others, have great difficulty in admitting they are wrong.

sipedo read my blog view my photos
Jul 29, 2008 | 8:01 PM

I knew an atheist, that atheist was a friend of mine and northton, you're no atheist.

80sMetalHead read my blog view my photos
Jul 29, 2008 | 9:47 PM

Some tool is making fun of Gammies' grandkids?? There's always a moron...

Gammies61 read my blog view my photos
Jul 30, 2008 | 1:24 PM

What is up with the good bye?

Thank you Deborah.

northton read my blog view my photos
Jul 30, 2008 | 7:47 PM

Not even a little, Sipi? LOL

Yeah. Where ya goin'?

plum19 read my blog view my photos
Aug 5, 2008 | 10:17 AM

I have wondered about god for many years. Is he real? Is he really watching us? is he even a he? Is the bible right? is the bible honest? is faith just like they say, Blind? I did a lot of this pondering in my later teen years. i did a lot of reading, I did a lot of asking questions. I went to a religious figure here in Deltona (my freshman football coach who is a preacher at a local church) and I went to my science treacher at Daytona Beach College. Both had good advice and both told me that it was what I made of it myself. I took some time to come up to that god was not a real figure, but a guideline to billions of people. Like Santa is for children, but so much more. He is one that is watching us, we can talk to when there is no one else that will listen, he is someone that can brung us good luck and bad luck. He is who we can claim helped us or hurt us. He can start wars, he can end wars. He has had more people killed in his name then anyone or anything else. And he might not even be real. I think what got me what the big bang thory and science. Evolution and human rights. I just think that the questions I had about those subjects got answers that didn't fit. If there is a god, then it is not the god that many people belive. I choose to belive that it is all man made. My fiancee will kill me if she heard me say I don't believe there is a god, so I do not go that far.

TAllen read my blog view my photos
Aug 6, 2008 | 1:07 AM

Sipedo, I am just curious but what do you deem to be a true Atheist?

I do not need to believe in the existance of heaven, hell, god, satan, creation, or that the bible is anything more than a storybook. I do not worry about something called judgement day. I do not believe that there is anyone that is in control of my life except me and I most definately do not believe that when I die there will be anything beyond my final heart beat. What I do believe is that religion is the single most effective way to control individuals on a personal level. It is a money making machine that is in constant change to stay on top of the popular beliefs of the moment. I believe that it preys on those who are not strong enough to accept their own mortality or destiny. I believe it is a convenient excuse for bad choices they make and it is touted to be, the be all, end all to every problem as long as you believe strong enough.

The one an only burning question is this...

Why is it that man was the one to introduce man to god?

Think about that seriously in terms of everything religion tells you. Interesting isn't it?

myfreespeech read my blog
Aug 7, 2008 | 9:56 AM

Everypme has a right o their belief but ignorance sort of sticks out for some who don't like God mentioned so plug your ears the majority still has their views you cant expect to make your choise the one for everyone we make ouir own but sometimes when we speak the words are ignored because of the liberaliztion taking place all over the world Muslims too.

sipedo read my blog view my photos
Aug 12, 2008 | 8:45 PM

TAllen, There is no such thing as an atheist because even the most pronounced self declared atheist still has the lingering question in the back of their mind "what if I am wrong?". You can deny the existence of that question, but that does not mean the question does not exist. It still exists. It exists in the mind of northton, it exists in the mind of you. Your question "Why is it that man was the one to introduce man to god?" Is a question based upon the assumption. To be presumptuous and say that man introduced god to man answers itself. It is not logical to assume this. Neither you or I were there when either God introduced himself to man, or the other way around, so the question itself is flawed.

sipedo read my blog view my photos
Aug 17, 2008 | 9:15 PM

Gammies, I was away for a while, but now I'm back, I just got lazy and didn't post an updated profile. I'll get to it one of these days should the Lord Tarry.

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