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Sorry Long read, but informative..

When it comes to the 2008 presidential election, both Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton have one common socialist goal: universal health care. The Democrats want to reform health care to the point of socialized medicine.

Universal health care is bad.

How many students on campus appreciate the fact they're required to enroll with the Student Health Insurance Plan unless they have alternate coverage? Let's consider a hypothetical situation. Imagine the university forcing us to enroll in SHIP regardless of whether or not we already have coverage. In the process of forcing every student to enroll in SHIP, it became free, causing the cost of tuition to jump 30 percent.

Take that one step farther and mandate all students must seek medical treatment at the Health and Wellness Center. Nearly 20,000 students seek treatment at the small building on the corner of University Avenue and Joyce Street. This is a universal health care system.

As a free-market capitalist, I understand the need for health care, and I understand the frustration some Americans have with our current health care system. The problem with universal health care is not the care itself, but the people who receive care without paying for it. Some people argue health insurance is too expensive and inhibits Americans from obtaining proper coverage. I argue those freeloaders need to develop strong priorities to start insuring themselves.

According to a study found on the Depository Services Program Website, America looks to Canada to model its health care system based on a number of fiscal statistics. For example, Canada's current healthcare percentage gross national product is nine percent - that is much lower than the United States' 15 percent. Also the infant mortality rate in Canada is 7.9 per 1,000 births, compated to the United States' 10.5 per 1,000. When looking at these statistics, Canada seems to have health care under control, but this can be misleading.

While Canada's health care system appears to run more fiscally efficient, other factors must be taken into account. Rationing is prominent in socialized medicine. Rationing is what will occur if every student has to receive treatment at the Health and Wellness Center. Long lines, waiting lists and understaffed hospitals are outcomes we can expect under a universal health care system.

One of the biggest myths being propogated today is the absurd notion that "people can't see a doctor without having insurance." The truth is office visits are relatively cheap, well within the means of most people. The problem is most people don't budget anything for their annual medical care. And, then when a problem arises, any expense greater than zero "isn't in the budget."

The other problem is that insurance really isn't insurance anymore. It is pre-paid health care. True insurance is intended to prevent financial disaster in the face of an unlikely event. Most people, however, have come to expect first dollar coverage for everything including very common and likely events like routine doctor office visits. "Covered'' employees don't realize it's their money going to pay for this "wonderful" non-bargain of first dollar coverage. It's not a "free" benefit provided by their employer as most employees believe. These costs are essentially hidden from employees. Money their employer wastes in purchasing first dollar coverage or inferior managed care coverage for the employee is money which would have been the employee's salary to spend as they choose.

The reason most people obtain their health insurance from their employer is because of tax discrimination. During World War II, our government enacted wage and price controls. Employers couldn't attract better workers by offering higher wages, but were allowed to offer health insurance as an untaxed benefit. Although World War II ended 54 years ago, this same tax discrimination policy remains in effect today. This atrocious policy discriminates against the working poor, part-time employees, employees working for small businesses that don't offer health insurance, and the self-employed. Those who obtain their health insurance through their employer, purchase their coverage with pre-tax dollars. On the other hand, those who purchase their health insurance on their own, purchase it with after-tax dollars --- a huge difference. In fact, the uninsured actually end up paying what amounts to a tax penalty for being uninsured.(1) It is estimated that "a family in the bottom fifth of the income distribution pays about $450 more in taxes than insured families at the same income level. For families in the top fifth of the income distribution, the tax penalty is $1,780."(1) The analysis goes on to say that "on the average, uninsured families pay about $1,018 more in federal taxes each year because they do not have employer-provided insurance. Collectively, the uninsured pay about $17.1 billion in extra taxes each year because they do not receive the same tax break as insured people with similar income. If state and local taxes are included, the extra taxes paid by the uninsured exceed $19 billion per year."(1)

Where, we must ask, is the compassion for these overtaxed, hard-working people? This is clearly a government-created problem. What we don't need is more government (nationalized health care) to "fix it." What we need is to get government out of our wallets so people can have their own money needed to purchase and own their own health insurance. The other thing the pro-socialist "crisis mongers" fail to tell people is that only one-third of the uninsured are chronically uninsured.2 For the other two-thirds, it is only a short, temporary condition, "half of all uninsured spells will last less than six-months. Three-fourths of them will be insured within 12 months. Only 18 percent of all last for more than two years."(2)

Those who brandish the "crisis" of the uninsured to promote socialized medicine also often fail to tell people that uninsured doesn't necessarily mean poor. In fact, the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) tells us that "a third of the uninsured households earn more than $30,000 a year and 10 percent earn more than $50,000."(2) That's at least 40 percent of the so-called "uninsured" that could well afford a $45 office visit or health insurance.(2) We need to get away from the concept that "someone else," big government or insurance, needs to take care of our every need.

Indeed, "universal coverage," nationalized health care, or socialized medicine, regardless of what you choose to call it, is not the same as, medical care. All of the citizens of Canada, for instance, have "universal coverage." What they often don't have, however, is the medical care that they need when they need it. That is why we see Canadians crossing the border into the United States in droves to obtain the health care that they can't get when they need it in their own country. Their government rations access to health care and thus attempts to control costs by making MRI scans, radiation oncology, bypass surgeries and many other health services largely unavailable to their own people. Is this the egalitarian's view of compassion and social justice?

Yes, we need health care reform, but it needs to be based upon the principles of individual freedom and individual responsibility. And, there are many options out there. Most people could purchase a high deductible indemnity insurance policy at a lower price than they would pay for monthly managed care premiums. That's right --- a much higher quality of health care at a lower price! Imagine, having the freedom to choose the doctor or hospital you want to go to, being able to go to specialists without denials, delays, and gatekeepers. And, the money saved by purchasing a high-deductible catastrophic policy could be set aside in a special savings account to pay for deductibles. The money saved by purchasing a high-deductible policy could also be used to pay for the insurance premiums.

And, last but not least, there is charity. No hospital ever turns any patient away because of lack of funds. Hospitals and the physicians on call at those hospitals are required by law to treat all patients presenting to the emergency department irrespective of ability to pay. And we do it all the time. It's a total myth that you can't come to the hospital because you "don't have insurance" or "can't pay." Charity is something that should involve churches, not big government. What big government does, confiscating money from all, including the minimum wage earner, and redistributing it based upon some social engineering scheme, isn't charity. It's legalized plunder. True charity comes from the heart, not from forced "contributions." Most churches and charitable agencies understand the dependency trap of big government programs. They understand that it does no good in the long run to give a man fish for his dinner. This does not help him. To help a man, you must teach him to fish. The goal should be to help a man back to his feet so he can support himself and his family, not to trap them in a cycle of dependency. I find it very sad in a country where men and women have died fighting to preserve our freedom and have died fighting off socialism and communism that some are now considering socialized medicine as a solution to improving access to health care.

Lenin once said that "medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism,'' and I believe those who are promoting "universal coverage" via government-run and government-controlled medicine know this. What they hope is that the public won't find out the truth. There is nothing compassionate about socialism. This is why the AAPS gives a high priority to educating other physicians and the public about the truth of socialized medicine. That is why AAPS should be joined and supported by all physicians!

What these politicians and many other Americans fail to understand is that there's a big difference between universal coverage and actual access to medical care.

Simply saying that people have health insurance is meaningless. Many countries provide universal insurance but deny critical procedures to patients who need them. Britain's Department of Health reported in 2006 that at any given time, nearly 900,000 Britons are waiting for admission to National Health Service hospitals, and shortages force the cancellation of more than 50,000 operations each year. In Sweden, the wait for heart surgery can be as long as 25 weeks, and the average wait for hip replacement surgery is more than a year. Many of these individuals suffer chronic pain, and judging by the numbers, some will probably die awaiting treatment. In a 2005 ruling of the Canadian Supreme Court, Chief Justice Beverly McLachlin wrote that "access to a waiting list is not access to healthcare."

Parliament unanimously passed the Canada Health Act in 1984 and established a single-payer, publicly-financed health care system. To ensure a true government monopoly (is there any other kind?) Canadian provinces outlawed private health insurance.

Chaoulli v. Quebec UPDATE (June 9, 2005): In a 4 to 3 decision, the Canadian Supreme Court struck down Quebec's law that prohibits private medical insurance.

U.S. Patients have Greater Access to Advanced Medical Technology Than Do Canadians

 

Other countries that have goverment controlled health care programs, are suffering as well.

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/healthcare/socia
lized.html#europe

Example:

Universal health care: Is it worth the long waits?

Push is on for private insurance in Canada as residents come to the U.S. for timely treatment After battling brain cancer, Lindsay McCreith is ready for his next fight: He’s taking on the Canadian health care system. His case has potential repercussions on both sides of the border as pressure grows for health reform.

It started when McCreith, a resident of Newmarket, north of Toronto, suffered a seizure  (2006). He was told in Canada he would have to wait more than four months for an MRI to rule out a malignant tumor.

Rather than wait, McCreith, 66, quickly arranged a trip to Buffalo for a scan. The MRI confirmed his worst fears — a cancerous growth that a Buffalo neurosurgeon removed a few weeks later. “If I had been patient, I’d probably be disabled or dead today,” McCreith said.

Now, McCreith is suing the Ontario government in a closely watched constitutional challenge that could reshape universal health coverage in the province by striking down the prohibition against patients buying private insurance.

On this side of the border, advocates of universal health insurance champion Canada’s popular public program as a fairer system that the United States should emulate, as seen in Michael Moore film, “Sicko.” Yet critics see the long waits for some services in Canada — mainly for non-emergency surgery — as an argument against an increased role for government in health care.

In Canada, McCreith’s story reflects a debate, intensified by the long waiting times, between those who want more for-profit, private care and those who fear the rise of two-tier medicine that undermines the public system.

 

So you still think we have it bad here in the USA?

http://www.therealcuba.com/

 

 


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zbert read my blog
Apr 11, 2008 | 4:10 PM

I agree with the premise of this.
There are a few errors, though.
Companies offered free health care until the early 1960's when the government started getting involved.
Maybe WWII was the reaon they started, but it continued 30 more years. Anybody getting Insurance on their own could write the cost off on the tax forms.
Company offered insurance had better prices because of the power of mass purchases. 50 people acting together could get a better price than one. It still continues today.

Abunai read my blog view my photos
Apr 14, 2008 | 1:14 PM

Udate: Socialized medicine is so bad in Brittan that the waiting time at the ER is well over 4 hours!! So how does a socialized/liberal govt. solve the problem? They just make a new law that says all patients MUST be seen inside 4 hours....

Oh! Well now thats how you solve the problem, just make a new rule. Guess what you have now... Prehospital EMS (engines and ambulances now are sitting in the hospital parking lot with patients instead because the clock doesnt start until the patients goes through the doors of the actual ER!

So now like any good liberal program the hospital can report that patients are being seen in the time constraints and the problem is solved!!! (alternative reality) THE TRUTH... Now your 1st responders can't meet their response times and unable to take calls because they are stuck in hospital parking lots! i.e. the problem is WORSE!!

PegasusWing read my blog view my photos
Apr 14, 2008 | 1:29 PM

McCain is not for universal coverage.
Obama is for coverage for children.
Hillary is for coverage for everyone. But then she has been quoted saying that it is too expensive, so I don't know what she really is for.

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
Apr 14, 2008 | 2:09 PM

oh my ...........democrappy world we live in...just gets worse with time.......and it will......LISTEN to this......I can't handle generic medicines my insurance pays for BRAND...Darn it......every time I get a prescription and the doctors right on it brand medically necessary THEY STILL GIVE ME A STINKING HARD TIME.............DON'T LIKE GENERICS.........HATE EM WONT USE THEM AND THAT'S IT...........I hate this democrappy world and worst THE DEMOCRAPS FAILED TO SEE HOW REALLY STUPID; GREEDY AND NON ESSENTIALS DEMOCRAPS ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE..THEYA RE JUST FOR THEMSELVES AND SELF BENEFIT.............BLEEP

Abunai read my blog view my photos
Apr 14, 2008 | 3:50 PM

PeagasusWing.. to clear it up some:

Obama SAYS he is for coverage for children, however his support for the Democrat's version of the SCHIP Bill included alot of adults under that children's definition.

Bush was for children, and Democrats kept trying to attach adults to it.

Hillary is just for flat out Socialism! She is responsible for the shortages of flu vaccine in the 90s!! That same mentality she had then on "Big Drug Company" is what she plans for our economy now, and is an absolute disaster!

Notasteelersfan read my blog
Apr 16, 2008 | 1:14 PM

I still believe the oppisite only if the public is informed about the drawbacks of universal health care. We are not ready for it. We the people must be in control of our government before we can be in contorl of eachother. Socialism isnt bad either. They have some good perks. "Communist Manifesto" good read.

J_Darrowin read my blog view my photos
Apr 18, 2008 | 6:53 AM

Good, informative blog, Signal, and I appreciate that you wrote it in plain english so that even I could understand it.

Sageman read my blog
Apr 19, 2008 | 1:43 AM

There are so many half truths in this post that it boggles me that no one can see it...

First off Student Health care was made mandatory at most university for one essential reason. Medical Insurance is a necessity and a large portion of the student body did not have access to medical coverage. School infirmary's were being overrun with kid's unable to see doctor's due to lack of insurance. To combat this, medical insurance was made a part of the overall tuition and made available to all students. The 30% increase in tuition you are noting was not due solely to student medical but rather numerous causes. The main being that cost of living increases and inflation were not increasing at the same rate as the cost to administrate a college. All of these finally started to impact tuition at the state university and colleges levels. In the past administrators had done everything to try to keep the education affordable to students but sooner or later the bottom fell out.

Canada's health care doesn't seem to be better, it is. Canada is a forerunner in preventative medicine and as such they do have a lower mortality rate. They also manage to treat patients at a fraction of what it cost's in the United States.

Why show me some evidence of long lines in Canada's hospitals? They actually have mastered the art of Triage in Canada, making sure that those that need emergency care receive it first and that those who are able to wait, sometimes do wait.

I suppose you haven't been to a hospital lately in the states? I've been to several with family and friends, average wait ti

Sageman read my blog
Apr 19, 2008 | 1:44 AM

I suppose you haven't been to a hospital lately in the states? I've been to several with family and friends, average wait time for everything from angina attacks to stitches was in excess of 3 hours. They do what they can but generaly they sit you down and make you wait till they get to you. In America we like to sit people in an exam room rather than a waiting room, that allows us to say that they've been seen even though they haven't.

Canada does not ration out their MRI's, Oncology or anything else, they do limit the expense for those patients that are terminally ill. As such if the expectancy of survivability is less than 5%, then such expensive treatment is rationed. The reason is that these treatments that you've mentioned are the most draining on the health system as a whole. Also in the US, Insurance companies do the same to their own clients on a daily basis. This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

The patient you mentioned above is a rarity in the system but it happens. My father died of Lung Cancer that was never diagnosed, he visited the doctor on a monthly basis. The insurance company he was with made him wait almost a year to receive treatment for melanoma because it was deemed terminal.

I agree with your statement on individual freedom and Individual responsibility but it's a pipe dream because medical expenses have increased at an exorbitant rate, far out pacing the cost of living increases and inflation. As such people aren't able to keep up with the increases in treatment costs.

Also see my frequent post on people unable to distin

Sageman read my blog
Apr 19, 2008 | 1:45 AM

Also see my frequent post on people unable to distinguish between Socialism and Communism. The two are not the same and it's insulting the general intelligence of the readers here to play the McCarthy era hysteria.

I say, Sweden and you think what? I say, Cuba and you think what? One (Sweden) is consistently rated in the top 5 for medical coverage and overall happiness of it's citizens. The other (Cuba) is not even in the top 50 for happiness but it does have a very well respected medical program , it's just not available to most of it's citizens, it typically only treats foreigners. This is because of the difference in the systems. Socialism is generaly democratic and all processes are passed by a vote of the citizens. Communism is socailism enacted by an elite on behalf of it's citizens, it's a totalitarian system and not democratic in the least.

Also Americans do have greater access to higher technological treatments, thats because thats where the money is and in America medical treatment is about money not the patient. That's what you seem to lose sight of here, we have forgotten about treating people anymore it's about turning a profit. (See wikipedia about HMO's for further enlightenment on that.)

Lastly is Canada's health service perfect? No there are always going to be issues with any public service but it does do something we dont in the US, provide health care to everyone. I have had two friends die before the age 40 due to not being able to seek medical care because of expenses and no insurance. I know of people who have rotted teeth because they could

Sageman read my blog
Apr 19, 2008 | 1:45 AM

I know of people who have rotted teeth because they couldn't afford the $500.00 per tooth expense to get the treatment they needed. (In canada the expense for a root canal is under $100.00 to the state so why is it $500.00 in the US?)

We need universal health care and we need to take the health care system out of the hands of insurance company's more interested in profit than their customers.

Why is the current administration so against providing health care, even to children? Because if we did it would take the money out of their pockets, most are invested heavily in the health care industry and receive plenty of "Donations" from lobbyists in Washington.

On a final note, I talked with some friends who live in Canada. One is college buddy who married a Canadian, his evaluation of the Canadian Medical Coverage? A big thumbs up. I know, what was I expecting to hear from a republican but I guess was able base his opinion on the truth rather than supposition.

Sageman read my blog
Apr 19, 2008 | 1:48 AM

Sorry for the three posts but my posts keep getting cut in half. I also forget I can't edit after I post. Sorry for that too.

Also for that certain someone, it's democrat theres no "p" in it at all. Democratty is not a word either, nor is democrappy? My Spanish is pretty decent and I don't remember that being a word in Spanish either. I sure hope you aren't writing phonetically, well that actually would be funny.

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