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Joe Mariani

Liberal "Rules" for Arguing
June 10, 2003 By Joe Mariani

During the past year, I have spent countless hours trying to have rational debates about the various issues surrounding Iraq with Liberals on various message boards all over the Web. I've wondered over and over why they all seem to follow certain patterns. I've been trying to codify the rules that they seem to use, to increase my ability to identify the tactics they're using. When I identify which rule they're following, they invariably reply with strings of invective, proving that they know exactly what they're doing.

#1: Attack Your Opponent
If you feel that your opponent is trying to use facts to your disadvantage, attack him or her personally. Call your opponent names, insult his ancestry, imply that he performs improbable sex acts with animals or his own mother -- or both. If you can arouse his anger, you will have him on familiar ground where he can be beat. Your aim is to make your opponent stop using those pesky facts and figures to win the argument -- everyone knows arguments are supposed to be emotional, not cold and rational, so he's doing it wrong to start with. Names guaranteed to upset an opponent with a conservative bent are Nazi, Dittohead (meaning he's a fan of Rush Limbaugh), and Sheep. Spell "Republican" and "America" with a K in them, to suggest that your opponent is a member of the KKK -- but if they mention that Democratic Senator Robert Byrd was a Klansman, accuse your opponent of making an ad hominem attack! Make sure to claim that your opponent is either a dupe, is brainwashed, or is perhaps working for the government. If at all possible, make personal attacks on President Bush at the same time; that usually forces people to try and defend him.

#2: Switch Your Arguments
If you feel that your are beginning to lose an argument, change it. Switch sides altogether if you have to. For instance, if you are arguing that there are no biological or chemical weapons in Iraq, and your opponent quotes one of the many UN reports that state there definitely were banned weapons there, suddenly change your argument to "of course, there were, the US gave them to Saddam". Never mind the fact that you were just saying they didn't exist -- the purpose is to confuse your opponent and keep him from winning the argument. And in the above instance, if your opponent shows records from the CDC proving that Iraq requested medical samples through the World Health Organisation to combat anthrax and botulism, switch your argument BACK AGAIN and claim that Saddam destroyed the WMD he made form the samples after kicking out the inspectors in 1998, ignoring your earlier arguments that there never was any, and then that the US provided it. Logic is for losers! Consistency is for conservatives! If your opponent gives up the argument, loudly proclaim a victory!

#3: Raise The Bar
When your opponent presents you with proof of anything -- UN records of WMD stockpiles, Amnesty International records of humanitarian crimes, eyewitness accounts of rape, torture, murder, etc -- state that it's not enough to convince you. Tell your opponent that his so- called "proof" doesn't mean anything at all. Insist that anything from only one source doesn't count. Force him or her to go back and search for more proof... and more, and still more. Eventually, your opponent will grow tired of trying to convince you with mere facts and figures, and either give up or get angry -- and then you know you've got him! You can tell everyone that your opponent lost because his or her proof was "laughable".

#4: Attack The Source
When your opponent presents you with those pesky facts, there's only one way to beat him -- attack the source. Refuse to give credence to anything reported by the Weekly Standard, or NewsMax, even if your opponent's facts come from another source as well. Any news outlet even slightly to the right of the New York Times, the LA Times, CBS, ABC, NPR and Time is immediately suspect. Put down FOX news channel and anyone that refers to it -- ignore the fact that they have reported the same stories as every other network. The fact that your opponent uses any of those obviously biased sources automatically proves him wrong, a brainwashed tool, a sheep, etc (see rule #1). If he gives you information from a web site, attack that site as being biased, or right-wing. If he attacks your sources as being left-wing, scoff at that argument -- you know that "left wing" and "correct" are the same thing. Quotes from any liberal source (even a non-journalist's web page or blog) are automatically correct, while any conservative source is OBVIOUSLY distorting the facts to make an ideological point.

#5: Blame America First/Moral Equivalency
It's very important, at all times, to remember that America is the REAL bad guy here, everywhere, and for all time. If your opponent shows facts about Saddam's humanitarian offenses, match them with claims of America's own "atrocities". Although your opponent will claim there is no comparison between the two, continue to claim, for instance, that Saddam's 30- year record of using rape, murder, torture and mutilation on prisoners merely accused of crimes is the EXACT SAME THING as Texas administering the death penalty after due process of law. Argue that because America has not always been absolutely perfect, Americans have no right to judge any other country, no matter what it does, even though the Geneva Convention did not exist until after WWII. Stay focussed on your vision of an evil America ruled by corporate greed, evil America slobbering to kill the innocents in other countries, evil America ruthlessly building an empire, and evil America only pretending to be benevolent and generous to other countries. Never give credence to your opponent's arguments that America rebuilt countries like France, Germany, Japan, Nicaragua, Grenada, etc... it was obviously a ruse of some kind! Always seek to put the worst possible interpretation on everything America does or ever has done, or any statement by any member of the Administration. Remember that America exists only to dominate the entire world, like a James Bond supervillain. For reference, watch as many Oliver Stone movies as possible. Remember that American soldiers always act exactly like the soldiers in Platoon.

For more Liberal rules of Arguing:

http://www.useless-knowledge.com/columnists/joemari
ani/article24.html

Arm yourselves, Knowledge is power......

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DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
Dec 30, 2007 | 11:14 PM

Well, I believe you have just described Hillary Clinton to a T.

rexsmom read my blog view my photos
Dec 31, 2007 | 8:35 AM

LOL, yeah that about sums it up.

northton read my blog view my photos
Dec 31, 2007 | 1:20 PM

That's right!
We conservatives never use these vulgar tactics. Liberals are not nice the way we are. They just tell lies and say stuff that isn't true, then run away when you beat them in a debate!!!

Cute, but totally unrealistic and hypocrytical.

ThinkTanked read my blog view my photos
Dec 31, 2007 | 3:59 PM

LOL good post, but I've seen these tactics used on both sides, hell I've fell victim to and used the some of them myself unknowingly. I hate when you state a widely known fact and someone wants proof, then I just assume they have been living in hole and don't deserve to know anything... go back to sleep lol.

thewizard read my blog view my photos
Dec 31, 2007 | 10:48 PM

Dude - you left off 'lie.'

Like the global warming debate?

But good otherwise. Kudo's

J_Darrowin read my blog view my photos
Jan 1, 2008 | 10:35 AM

It's true that both sides resort to these techniques, listed both on this blog and the provided link.

However, Liberals tend to use these tactics a lot more often, as they tend to argue out of pure emotion. That's what Liberals are all about... pure emotion, (I suspect this is where the term "bleeding hearts" comes from) and little calculation. At least, that's the impression I get.

Conservatives can also get like this when they want to argue about religous matters, which is also very emotional.

steveg36 read my blog
Jan 1, 2008 | 7:46 PM

Dude this is a great post and Very true. The main problem with Liberals and/or Democrats is they think they know what is best for us then we do. They act like we know nothing and they know everything. And that is what aggrivates me the most. Democrats think that everyone is too stupid to know what is best for them.

jfore read my blog
Jan 1, 2008 | 10:46 PM

Liberals cannot compete in the arena of ideas and must resort to these tactics in order to convince themselves that they're actually having an intelligent conversation when they aren't. But you forgot the last point. After hours of spouting MoveOn.org sound bites, launching personal attacks, dodging the real issue, refusing to answer questions, and making irrational statements without ever conveying an intelligent thought or a single fact to back up what they're saying, they'll pat themselves on the back and actually claim that they won the debate. Just look at Northton's comment above. That's classic.

DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
Jan 1, 2008 | 11:39 PM

Classic. No doubt.

Abunai read my blog view my photos
Jan 2, 2008 | 12:51 AM

Best part is liberals literally calling out conservatives for stuff, never realizing they wrote the book on it!

DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
Jan 2, 2008 | 2:55 AM

Like Hillary accusing ANYONE of flip flopping?

plum19 read my blog view my photos
Jan 2, 2008 | 11:31 AM

like Romney accusing anyone of flip-flopping
like McCain accusing anyone of flip-flopping
like Guliani accusing anyone of flip-flopping
like Bush accusing anyone of flip-flopping
The republicans do more flip-flopping then you want to believe!

plum19 read my blog view my photos
Jan 2, 2008 | 11:33 AM

there is a book called the Typical Repubican. It's one page. It says Don't feed me the right info. Just feed me the info i want to hear.

DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
Jan 2, 2008 | 7:36 PM

Touche plum, by you cannot deny Hillary is the Queen of flip flopping. She learned from her husband, the King! LOL!

DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
Jan 2, 2008 | 7:39 PM

There is a book called the Typical Democrat. It is one sentence. It says Just elect me, but don't ask me why!

Sorrento_Dude read my blog
Jan 2, 2008 | 10:15 PM

you guys just forgot the whole premise behind this blog. You are now arguning with a liberal. I am not sure that there could be more of a waste of time. I have a question. Why is it that gays,blacks,hispanics(except cubans)and all other minority groups vote for democrats? I already know the answer to this question but I like to see what the little pathetic democrats say about it.

Mater01 read my blog view my photos
Jan 3, 2008 | 12:40 AM

Dude...Don't hold your breath for any honest answer from any Democrit(no that is not mis-spelled)!!! And isn't it funny how they gather so much money for their spending habits and luxuries but they must be expected to budget...that's funny now, I don't care who you are!

Mater01 read my blog view my photos
Jan 3, 2008 | 12:42 AM

Go Fred Go!!!

northton read my blog view my photos
Jan 3, 2008 | 6:29 PM

Yeah, you little pathetic Democrits! You know we argue fairly and debate without name calling man!!!


What a laugh. You are doing it right now you idiot.

Yes, I said idiot, but so what? It's not like you can accuse me of name calling, you hypocrites.

signal12 read my blog view my photos
Jan 3, 2008 | 8:29 PM

Good one Sorrento_Dude !

DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
Jan 3, 2008 | 9:49 PM

The so called caucus is going just as planned on the Democrits side.

They less they said, the higher on the list they are. For now. The one that says the least, will win.

On the Republican side, it is dismal. Not for lack of a good candidate, but for lack of coverage for this party.

While the Democrits expertly dodge real questons, and are running exclusively on gender and race, ALL Republican candidates, that really actually desire for the American public to hear actual views and real promises, are being ignored to the point of communism.

Anyone that supports this, regardless of party, is no American.

DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
Jan 3, 2008 | 9:52 PM

New Hampshire allows Independents to vote in either party!

Or is it BOTH partys.

Now THAT is scary!

signal12 read my blog view my photos
Jan 4, 2008 | 11:58 AM

Does anyone remember the lies and bs that rev. j.jackson & a. sharpton spewd about bush?
They said everything but the fact he was going to hang them for being black...

I cannot understand why people belive these two black racists..

northton read my blog view my photos
Jan 4, 2008 | 4:45 PM

me niether

myfreespeech read my blog
Jan 4, 2008 | 5:59 PM

I wonder why we can vote as indepents in the national election but not allowed to vote in the primary.
split my vote voting for one party is too poor a way to actually vote.
maybe its because the most money gets the person on the ballot but cant be voted to run in a primary whats wrong here?/
The media sells us a bill of goods because they dont have to accept responsibility if their facts are wrong its called trhe first amendment..
When people are deciding who needs to get elected because no black or woman has been elected its a bad excuse you still need creditabiltiy.
The election is far away and these caususes prove very little people cant remember things that happen now when they vote NEXT November.
Well I guess I've said my feelings folks happy new Year.

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