Northton

I have nothing to hide, But I also myself say no to the search. I will make the officer get the warrent for the search, Make him file tons of paperwork to have it done, Then watch him file even more paperwork once he is done for searching a federal employees offical vehicle and get arrested himself by me for doing it.

YUP

I did this to a prick in GA which this small town cop though he was GOD and could do whatever he wanted. Didnt the badge, Gun in my holster, radar on the dashboard, and the NSA seal on the doors not give away that I was a federal officer at the time? Well this dumb cop who thought he was GOD and tried to bully his way into getting his quota in tickets found out the hard way after serving 90 days in his own jail and loosing his job.

I dont ever push my wieght at work. I feel like im just another person living here in America. But when a prick cop like that tries to think he is GOD over the public, Well thats when I let them do their thing and then show them what the real laws do to corupt cops.


Are there any cops out there reading this that would try to pull over a federal vehicle and do a search on it just because you need to fill a quota? By the way, I wanst breaking any laws when he pulled me over. He said it was a "Rutined indspectine" Yeah, I had a hard time understanding him too with all that chew in his mouth.

Are there any cops out there who would be stupid enough to pull a fake warrant to search a federal MARKED vehicle?

Im guessing this GA cop was the son of his brother and sister the 3rd time around huh?lol

I give up?

What are amendments for? To further take the freedoms from Americans? To better protect Americans? I don't get it. What exactly are we free to do?

Call me when you figure it out.

I found Freedom Free in Atlanta. Maybe he can tell us. LOL

Look, I am on my knees begging. Please, please Gammies, have a heart!

Very interesting Meb. I'm not sure I can agree with searching a car because of rolling papers just because some people use them to smoke weed. I might say that a tire iron suggests there might be a body in the trunk. I might say that a straw suggests cocaine is hidden in the car somewhere. A bag of diapers might mean you are kidnapping an astronaut.


Can you expand on the use of "discovery"?

I think discovery means whatever they want it to mean.
In my case, I cannot see any probable cause. Just a tag light out.
Although I was seething with anger, I cooperated fully, and was polite even while questioning this personal intrusion.

I was contemplating refusing to allow a search of my vehicle, mainly because of the way I was being treated.

But then I figured they will call the dog team, and I will be waiting another hour for them to show. So I said go ahead. There was nothing to find. I suppose he could have charged me with weapons, since the many tools I have in my van could easily be used for weapons. I can swing a 20 ounce hammer! Don't forget my 3 pounder! LOL!

Again, I felt violated! I had a tag light out. I did nothing else wrong.

Is this a standard procedure for law enforcement? This was Port Orange police, not Daytona.

What if you had a bunch of empty beer cans rattling around on the floor, but did NOT smell of alcohol Meb?
Would that entitle the same search?

Frank in answer to your question, I believe an officer could question or ask you to do a field soberity test still, as well as look for any fresher cans of evidence. If you're passed out or sleeping in your vechicle, with alcohol on your breath,and keys on your person or in the vechicle with you, you are going to be arrested for DUI/DWI. I've never be stopped or searched for my listed examples, though I've known others that have. On to Norty's examples. Ownership of a tire iron in itself is not probable cause or illegal. Owning a tire iron that has blood or bits of someone's scalp on it is. For example : if Norty were running down an alley or street with his beloved tire iron in hand, that could possibly constitute probable cause or questionable behavior at the very least. Now if there were a trail of people behind Norty with broken knee caps that would constitute probable cause. Possession of a staw in itself would suggest you either like drinking with them or are a anti-germ freak that won't drink from a can. If you have a straw or bunch of straws whose length has been shortened to 3 "-4 1/2 " inches that migth be probable cause, if they had a white to slightly yellowish dust coating on one end you'd most likely be going for a ride. To clarify the small straws as supplied with juice boxes are not do any consideration, as their small diameter would be too restrictive. A bag of diapers means you've either got a kid or kids to take care of or you may have some questionable or deviant practices with said astronaut. You might want to keep such practices far from public view. L

So then ownership of rolling papers in itself is not probable cause or illegal, but owning rolling papers that have weed or bits of hash on them is, right? Cause them's pretty much your own words.

It really sounds like just about anything could be considered probable cause with a little creative reasoning.

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On my 40th birthday, I was pulled over for my tag light being out. Driving through Lady Lake around 8:30 pm. The officer asked if I knew why he pulled me over. I said no, because of course, I was not speeding. He told me the problem, checked my insurance and drivers license and told me to have a good evening. So, I don't understand why you got the run around Frank. Maybe you were being profiled. Hippy in a van? LOL

Norty you'd have to take a couple of other things into consideration a well. The individuals behavior,coordination,eyes- clear or bloodshot, any scent of the wild weed about ? One other point is how many people have you seen lately rolling with legal tobacco ? How'd you like my take on your tire iron,straws, or bag of diapers? Quite some goody bag you carry in your car there guy . LOL !!!! I'll get back to "discovery tomorrow night. Thanks for the computer tip, but I'll end up forgetting that. In that case, I will eventually pass must as the dysfunctional dinosaur.

There you have it folks. Where is the line? There isn't one! Tune in next time for another exciting episode of: "As the Law Churns".