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HOW LONG DOES THE  USA  HAVE?

This is the most  interesting thing I've read in a long time.

The sad thing about it, you can  see it coming.
I have always heard about this democracy countdown.  

It is inter esting to see it in print.  

God help us, not that we deserve  it.
How  Long Do We Have?

About the time our  original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander  Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this  to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years  earlier:

'A democracy is always temporary  in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of  government.'
'A democracy will continue to exist up until the  time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the  public treasury. '
'From that moment on, the majority always vote for  the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with  the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal  policy, which is always followed by a  dictatorship.'
'The average age of the world's greatest  civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200  years'
'During those 200 years, those nations always  progressed through the following  sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual  faith;
2.  >From spiritual faith to great  courage;
3.  From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abund ance  ;
5. From  abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to  apathy;
7. From apathy to  dependence;
8. From dependence back into  bondage'

Professor Joseph  Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St . Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts  concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

Number of States won  by:
Gore:  19
Bush:  29

Square miles of land won  by:
Gore:  580,000
Bush:  2,427,000

Population of counties won  by:
Gore: 127  million
Bush: 143  million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents  in counties won by:
Gore:  13.2
Bush:  2.1

Professor Olson  adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory  
Bush won was mostly the  land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great  country.
Gore's territory mostly  encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off  various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United  States is now somewhere between the  'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of & nbsp;democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having  reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and  citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal and they vote,  then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five  years.
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candyaquino read my blog view my photos
May 7, 2008 | 12:33 PM

gee can you write a bee wee bigger I couldn't see without my glasses...

how about GOODBYE to human life as we know it....IT IS APOCALYPS NOW........the armaggaddon.........the end of the beginning......YES........WE NEED TO PRAY...WE NEED TO BELIEVE BECAUSE what's to come is not going to be pretty. Read the book of Revelations...is in there.

Abunai read my blog view my photos
May 7, 2008 | 6:40 PM

With respect to people's beliefs and religon... Lets remember that we first began to translate and interprit the bible when we also thought the sun revolved around the flat earth!!

I guess some folks still didn't get it after Y2K was going to be the end of mankind.... Stargate and new sneakers, Jonestown, and now we have pedifiles in compounds hidding behind religon for their own peverted needs and destroying women and children by the hundreds!!

Remember like anything in life, too much of anything can be intoxicating and impair your judgement...

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
May 7, 2008 | 9:45 PM

We are in the 11th hour of our little democracy I have know this all my life , only a large scale conflict can hold of our slide into a totalitarian dictatorship under witch a “proletariat” controls and consumes the lives of average citizens...but even a true “world war” will only stall the “liberal government” from taking control for a few years...On the bright side many of us understand the free trade economy so can and will adapt to a “black market” outside the governments control very quickly, yes many who do this will be labeled “criminals” for depriving the government of its “taxes” and those will be imprisoned or killed but that is the life we will lead and all “joy” will come only from what we can hide from the government.

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
May 7, 2008 | 9:59 PM

It will happen very rapidly and it will start with one simple innocent looking act. A single industry will be deemed by the the government “to important to be allowed to make a profit on the goods it sells”. The government will promise that the new found “larges” will benefit the people but somehow the money will never make it to the people . Next the government will find another “vital industry” that can benefit by coming under government control , at this point do to poor government management and its tendency to “shift” every penny it makes to everything but where it is needed our infrastructure will start to break down ...so the government will have to “suspend free market trade” to save us from the emergency! Under this “suspension” all goods (food fuel money!) will be deemed property of the “State” for redistribution by the government...funny but about half of this nation will still believe that we are going to “recover” from this and things are going to go back to normal if they just wait ....all of this can and will happen in less than 6 months, and we will never “recover” , the government of this country will still call itself a Free democracy but will no longer actually be one.

PegasusWing read my blog view my photos
May 8, 2008 | 10:19 AM

Look Ted Kennedy and McCain wrote the bill to legalize illegal invaders.
Putting McCain in office is like putting Ted Kennedy in the Driver's seat.
I would go for that if McCain, Hillary, and Obama were in the back seat!
Some of you non-liberal boys think that, once in office, McCain will enforce our immigration laws.
He will eliminate the immigration laws!
He is laying low in the grass right now.
We are the only nation on earth who will take this $&*#!
Hillary is just as bad.
Who knows what Obama is!

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
May 8, 2008 | 11:43 AM

So by the “Clinton” rule on this subject they are all the same (your words PEG) so we need to move on to other subjects the economy , taxes , energy , national defense...and if that is what we are picking based on McCain is a far better choice ...but back to the infamous “bill” that you are holding against McCain , Did you read it ? The 294 page bill that you refer to as “amnesty” in an attempt to promote you side without reveling the truth of YOUR sides position on this subject is that it did not offer “amnesty” and did have far more control than we currently have over the situation

shadows read my blog
May 8, 2008 | 5:08 PM

Hawkeye said: "Can’t you guys just make your points without resorting to these Paranoid Schizophrenic alarmist tactics??"

Either way, Democrat or Republican President it seems as though some sort of immigration reform bill is in the pipeline and supported by all of the remaining candidates. As long as there is employment opportunities for the illegals, they will continue to come. We can only hope that the Mexican economy continues to grow faster than ours so that the illegals will stay in Mexico. Now that's real hope isn't it?.....a stronger Mexico and a weaker U.S.

Hawkeye read my blog
May 8, 2008 | 5:55 PM

Actually,,the State run Oil Company is TAXING the Mexican Economy..Seems like THEY don't have the technology to drill for more oil where it's available and the Mexican Constitution forbids them from working with Foreign Companies that do..

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
May 8, 2008 | 8:18 PM

...it does not mater how much money Mexico makes the government will never let any of it get to the people so they will still come here for jobs and FREE benefits as long as we continue to give them away.

shadows read my blog
May 9, 2008 | 9:09 AM

RNC08, just view it as "foreign aid" administered in our own country. That should please people who want more money here in our country, rather than abroad.

Mexico is our "friend." That's why we bailed them out of their economic crisis a few years back.

BTW, it appears as though oil is becoming profitable enough that the old oil well in and around Los Angeles and other places through out the South will be reactivated. Interesting, in light of the big push for drilling in Alaska.

It appears that there is still oil available right here in the lower 48. Anyone that has driven through the south during the past 20 years couldn't have helped but notice all of the inactive wells, expecially around Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, etc. Someone was waiting for the price to go high enough.

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
May 9, 2008 | 9:38 AM

Mexico is our “friend” the way a ten pound tick is a dogs friend ...but you may be right that some of our domestic wells where shut down because oil was to cheap, but the wells you are referring to are the older wells that must be drilled deeper to continue producing oil and the hundreds of millions in impact fees that state/federal government charges to give a permit for this is what makes it impractical ...How can you expect anyone to spend 70 million dollars to fix a well that will only produce another 5 to 10 million barrels of oil over the next decade (add to that the operating cost and local tax that you have to pay to operate etc) ..even at $100 a barrel it is hard to break even on this investment.

Hawkeye read my blog
May 9, 2008 | 9:16 PM

The Problem ISN'T Oil supply OR it's availability..It NEVER has been..The Problem is in the REFINING capabilities..

Interrestingly enough,,MANY of the Middle Eastern Countries that supply OIL must BUY Gasoline and Deisel from FOREIGN Suppliers..

northton read my blog view my photos
May 10, 2008 | 6:29 AM

No government lasts forever, democracy or otherwise. The post is just rhetoric.

Sageman read my blog
May 11, 2008 | 10:14 PM

Well I would say that your statistics are skewered. If Olson really did say that crap and he is a professor he needs to have his credentials revoked.

For instance if what he said was true then he would have to be stating that all 25% of the 25,000,000 citizens receiving some form of public assistance in America voted for Gore and if that were the case then that would roughly make it 15% of his total constituency. Yet statistics show that roughly 3% of citizens on public assistance vote. So that means that only 750,000 of the votes given would have come from people on public assistance making the statistics realistically less than a percent of Gore's constituency were receiving public assistance. Furthermore it's down right ignorant to say that because someone lives in a low income area they are expecting hand outs? I mean seriously how did this guy get a job teaching with that bigoted attitude?

As for the above assertion by Tyler, he was basing his standards on social and economic values far out dated today. Hence America is nearly 250 years old and still going strong and it will be that way for another 250 years. People stated the same rhetoric during the Civil War, The Reconstruction, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Watergate, Whitewater and every other major issue to afflict America.

To close this I would state, look at the post's here and the comments from ordinary people and you will see a country anything but apathetic.

Also theories based on social and political evolution never go well hand in hand and most shy away from making these assertions. After all there are

Sageman read my blog
May 11, 2008 | 10:14 PM

(cont.)

Also theories based on social and political evolution never go well hand in hand and most shy away from making these assertions. After all there are documents from 900 years before the fall of the Roman Empire asserting its imminent demise and surprise, it took a long time to come about. When it did happen it was with a whimper not a bang as many predicted.

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Concerned person who feels like expressing my opinion while I still can. I retired from Phone Co, part time worker at a theme park. have been in Florida since 1973 when things were less hectic crime was not a problem. I enjoy writing to the editor,emailing to higher ups when things seem out of control like the current crime wave. I enjoy woodworking carving and meeting people where I work or where ever I might venture. I believe in free speech and it seems people are letting that slip away as they are told what to say about certain seasonal times. I think our media is our biggest threat using their liberal viewpoints and if wrong they are not responsible for errors I cant understand the Supreme's courts power we do not elect this group but we are at their mercy if you can call it that on issues that have an effect how we behave. People in power we dont electt that are backed by special interst groups or maybe some appointments are not acceptable to certain parties and therefore some well qualified individuals never get the appoiintment. The supreme court opens their sessions with a prayer and the ten commandments are on their very building. Lately the media has mentioned dangerous drugs and kids see this and go looking for them.Now its a choking thing effectings kids as young as 6 years old. When will the media think before addressing dangerous things that are picked up by the media and sort of become a fad for copycats like the Campus massacares occurring senselessly.

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