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Dems Target Private Retirement Accounts

Democratic leaders in the U.S. House discuss confiscating 401(k)s, IRAs

By Karen McMahan

November 04, 2008

RALEIGH — Democrats in the U.S. House have been conducting hearings on proposals to confiscate workers’ personal retirement accounts — including 401(k)s and IRAs — and convert them to accounts managed by the Social Security Administration.

Triggered by the financial crisis the past two months, the hearings reportedly were meant to stem losses incurred by many workers and retirees whose 401(k) and IRA balances have been shrinking rapidly.

The testimony of Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, in hearings Oct. 7 drew the most attention and criticism. Testifying for the House Committee on Education and Labor, Ghilarducci proposed that the government eliminate tax breaks for 401(k) and similar retirement accounts, such as IRAs, and confiscate workers’ retirement plan accounts and convert them to universal Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (GRAs) managed by the Social Security Administration.

Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., chairman of the House Committee on Education and Labor, in prepared remarks for the hearing on “The Impact of the Financial Crisis on Workers’ Retirement Security,” blamed Wall Street for the financial crisis and said his committee will “strengthen and protect Americans’ 401(k)s, pensions, and other retirement plans” and the “Democratic Congress will continue to conduct this much-needed oversight on behalf of the American people.”

Currently, 401(k) plans allow Americans to invest pretax money and their employers match up to a defined percentage, which not only increases workers’ retirement savings but also reduces their annual income tax. The balances are fully inheritable, subject to income tax, meaning workers pass on their wealth to their heirs, unlike Social Security. Even when they leave an employer and go to one that doesn’t offer a 401(k) or pension, workers can transfer their balances to a qualified IRA.

Mandating Equality

Ghilarducci’s plan first appeared in a paper for the Economic Policy Institute: Agenda for Shared Prosperity on Nov. 20, 2007, in which she said GRAs will rescue the flawed American retirement income system (www.sharedprosperity.org/bp204/bp204.pdf).

The current retirement system, Ghilarducci said, “exacerbates income and wealth inequalities” because tax breaks for voluntary retirement accounts are “skewed to the wealthy because it is easier for them to save, and because they receive bigger tax breaks when they do.”

Lauding GRAs as a way to effectively increase retirement savings, Ghilarducci wrote that savings incentives are unequal for rich and poor families because tax deferrals “provide a much larger ‘carrot’ to wealthy families than to middle-class families — and none whatsoever for families too poor to owe taxes.”

GRAs would guarantee a fixed 3 percent annual rate of return, although later in her article Ghilarducci explained that participants would not “earn a 3% real return in perpetuity.” In place of tax breaks workers now receive for contributions and thus a lower tax rate, workers would receive $600 annually from the government, inflation-adjusted. For low-income workers whose annual contributions are less than $600, the government would deposit whatever amount it would take to equal the minimum $600 for all participants.

In a radio interview with Kirby Wilbur in Seattle on Oct. 27, 2008, Ghilarducci explained that her proposal doesn’t eliminate the tax breaks, rather, “I’m just rearranging the tax breaks that are available now for 401(k)s and spreading — spreading the wealth.”

All workers would have 5 percent of their annual pay deducted from their paychecks and deposited to the GRA. They would still be paying Social Security and Medicare taxes, as would the employers. The GRA contribution would be shared equally by the worker and the employee. Employers no longer would be able to write off their contributions. Any capital gains would be taxable year-on-year.

Analysts point to another disturbing part of the plan. With a GRA, workers could bequeath only half of their account balances to their heirs, unlike full balances from existing 401(k) and IRA accounts. For workers who die after retiring, they could bequeath just their own contributions plus the interest but minus any benefits received and minus the employer contributions.

Another justification for Ghilarducci’s plan is to eliminate investment risk. In her testimony, Ghilarducci said, “humans often lack the foresight, discipline, and investing skills required to sustain a savings plan.” She cited the 2004 HSBC global survey on the Future of Retirement, in which she claimed that “a third of Americans wanted the government to force them to save more for retirement.”

What the survey actually reported was that 33 percent of Americans wanted the government to “enforce additional private savings,” a vastly different meaning than mandatory government-run savings. Of the four potential sources of retirement support, which were government, employer, family, and self, the majority of Americans said “self” was the most important contributor, followed by “government.” When broken out by family income, low-income U.S. households said the “government” was the most important retirement support, whereas high-income families ranked “government” last and “self” first (www.hsbc.com/retirement).

On Oct. 22, The Wall Street Journal reported that the Argentinean government had seized all private pension and retirement accounts to fund government programs and to address a ballooning deficit. Fearing an economic collapse, foreign investors quickly pulled out, forcing the Argentinean stock market to shut down several times. More than 10 years ago, nationalization of private savings sent Argentina’s economy into a long-term downward spiral.

Income and Wealth Redistribution

The majority of witness testimony during recent hearings before the House Committee on Education and Labor showed that congressional Democrats intend to address income and wealth inequality through redistribution.

On July 31, 2008, Robert Greenstein, executive director of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, testified before the subcommittee on workforce protections that “from the standpoint of equal treatment of people with different incomes, there is a fundamental flaw” in tax code incentives because they are “provided in the form of deductions, exemptions, and exclusions rather than in the form of refundable tax credits.”

Even people who don’t pay taxes should get money from the government, paid for by higher-income Americans, he said. “There is no obvious reason why lower-income taxpayers or people who do not file income taxes should get smaller incentives (or no tax incentives at all),” Greenstein said.

“Moving to refundable tax credits for promoting socially worthwhile activities would be an important step toward enhancing progressivity in the tax code in a way that would improve economic efficiency and performance at the same time,” Greenstein said, and “reducing barriers to labor organizing, preserving the real value of the minimum wage, and the other workforce security concerns . . . would contribute to an economy with less glaring and sharply widening inequality.”

When asked whether committee members seriously were considering Ghilarducci’s proposal for GSAs, Aaron Albright, press secretary for the Committee on Education and Labor, said Miller and other members were listening to all ideas.

Miller’s biggest priority has been on legislation aimed at greater transparency in 401(k)s and other retirement plan administration, specifically regarding fees, Albright said, and he sent a link to a Fox News interview of Miller on Oct. 24, 2008, to show that the congressman had not made a decision.

After repeated questions asked by Neil Cavuto of Fox News, Miller said he would not be in favor of “killing the 401(k)” or of “killing the tax advantages for 401(k)s.”

Arguing against liberal prescriptions, William Beach, director of the Center for Data Analysis at the Heritage Foundation, testified on Oct. 24 that the “roots of the current crisis are firmly planted in public policy mistakes” by the Federal Reserve and Congress. He cautioned Congress against raising taxes, increasing burdensome regulations, or withdrawing from international product or capital markets. “Congress can ill afford to repeat the awesome errors of its predecessor in the early days of the Great Depression,” Beach said.

Instead, Beach said, Congress could best address the financial crisis by making the tax reductions of 2001 and 2003 permanent, stopping dependence on demand-side stimulus, lowering the corporate profits tax, and reducing or eliminating taxes on capital gains and dividends.

Testifying before the same committee in early October, Jerry Bramlett, president and CEO of BenefitStreet, Inc., an independent 401(k) plan administrator, said one of the best ways to ensure retirement security would be to have the U.S. Department of Labor develop educational materials for workers so they could make better investment decisions, not exchange equity investments in retirement accounts for Treasury bills, as proposed in the GSAs.

Should Sen. Barack Obama win the presidency, congressional Democrats might have stronger support for their “spreading the wealth” agenda. On Oct. 27, the American Thinker posted a video of an interview with Obama on public radio station WBEZ-FM from 2001.

In the interview, Obama said, “The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society.” The Constitution says only what “the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you,” and Obama added that the Warren Court wasn’t that radical.

Although in 2001 Obama said he was not “optimistic about bringing major redistributive change through the courts,” as president, he would likely have the opportunity to appoint one or more Supreme Court justices.

“The real tragedy of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused that I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change,” Obama said.

Karen McMahan is a contributing editor of Carolina Journal

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colt19112 read my blog view my photos
Nov 8, 2008 | 2:04 AM

i think i will spend mine first!!!!!

Mikey66 read my blog view my photos
Nov 8, 2008 | 10:17 AM

Another justification for Ghilarducci’s plan is to eliminate investment risk. In her testimony, Ghilarducci said, “humans often lack the foresight, discipline, and investing skills required to sustain a savings plan.” She cited the 2004 HSBC global survey on the Future of Retirement, in which she claimed that “a third of Americans wanted the government to force them to save more for retirement.” SUCH BRILLIANT WORDS , THAT'S SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID WHEN THEY STARTED S.O.S. , THE SAME THE DUMB A5555 DEMS AT WORK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT

Mikey66 read my blog view my photos
Nov 8, 2008 | 10:26 AM

COLT , TO BAD THIS DIDN'T GET POSTED BEFORE THE ELECTION

jax276 read my blog view my photos
Nov 8, 2008 | 11:24 AM

Colt,good but disappointing post. Mike it wouldn't have mattered WHEN this was posted the electorial outcome would have been the same.

Mikey66 read my blog view my photos
Nov 8, 2008 | 11:41 AM

JAX ,YOU MAY BE RIGHT ,DET LOVER WOULD HAVE USED HIS BIG EDUCATION TO SHOW ITS NOT TRUE AND WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT

gimini210 read my blog view my photos
Nov 9, 2008 | 8:58 AM

Actually it was posted before the election. No one would believe the people telling you that Pelosi, Reid and Barney wanted to take over the 401K's. It was said there would be no tax breaks and that the ones Bush enacted would be taken away, as they are, and everyone could expect their taxes to go up. Everyone was told unemployement would go up and businesses would cut back, as they are. No one believed it. Well now it is coming to reality. The liberal news told you Obama and the democrats were demi-Gods and the lambs were happy to be lead to slaughter.

Mikey66 read my blog view my photos
Nov 9, 2008 | 9:22 AM

GEMINI , ,I WATCHED IN DISBELIEF THAT THOSE THAT VOTED FOR NOBAMA ACTUALLY WERE OK WITH TAX HIKES , OF COURSE THEY DIDN'T SAY WHO WAS GETTING THEM , IM SURE ITS NOT THE NOBAMA SUPPORTERS , WHICH BRINGS ME BACK TO MY BLOG ON THE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH , THE F ING HYPOCRITES THAT THEY ARE ONLY WANT TAX HIKES AS LONG AS ITS NOT THERE MONEY ,FEEL FREE TO VISIT IT AND YOU'LL GET MY DRIFT

DetroitLover9550 read my blog view my photos
Nov 9, 2008 | 9:23 AM

Give me a break. Republicans want to take social security and put it into the hands of the stock market. Brilliant idea. Where is the security in that? Thats right, they want to take the money paid in, by us, to gamble it away, and without protection. If it is lost, then what? Our 401k's are doing that already, and without protection, I might add.
Sorry Mikey, I won't do what you suggest. It is true. I happen to agree with its premise.
You are all right, it is a liberal agenda, why does that surprise you? The idea of government being involved in securing peoples money is a liberal one, no doubt. No one, not me specifically, is suggesting that republicans and democrats do not have different fundamental ideals, that is obvious. Nor will I take the bait of being drawn in to defend a liberal idea, because I support most of them. The democratic ideals will now play out, just as the conservative ones have for years, and, by the way, hasn't worked. All of you need to be reminded of the Clinton administration and the health of the economy at that time. It was quickly taken and destroyed by conservatives, not democrats. Those are the facts.

DetroitLover9550 read my blog view my photos
Nov 9, 2008 | 9:24 AM

BTW colt, wonder if you could find Universal spin for us. Seems he has went missing.

DetroitLover9550 read my blog view my photos
Nov 9, 2008 | 9:28 AM

Something to add, the current administration and congress alike, have agreed to protect banks and financial institutions in the same protective way that you suggest shouldn't be afforded to the majority of Americans.
If our 401k money is put into protection, how is that a bad thing? Please explain. As it stands right now it isn't protected. The last few years have proven that.
If social security is put into the same forum that our 401k money is, how is it protected? The conservative suggestion doesn't include any.

bye-byeMI read my blog view my photos
Nov 9, 2008 | 7:31 PM

"If our 401k money is put into protection, how is that a bad thing? Please explain. As it stands right now it isn't protected."

D_L,
Base on that statement of you, it's clearly you don't have a 401K. As I have one, I'll explain it to you. That 401K is MY MONEY, I tell the guy who manage MY MONEY to put it were I want! Why would I want the Government tell ME where to put MY money? Do you understand how a 401K works? It would be like me telling you, D_L, give me your money, I'll take care of it for you. Would you do that?

Mikey66 read my blog view my photos
Nov 9, 2008 | 10:25 PM

BYE , DON'T BE RIDICULOUS , OF COURSE HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE GOVT TAKE CARE OF IT FOR HIM , HE'S A DUMOCRAP

bye-byeMI read my blog view my photos
Nov 9, 2008 | 11:35 PM

No Micky, he young and still hasn't realize what's going on in the real world and beleave me, Detroit is not the real world!

DetroitLover9550 read my blog view my photos
Nov 10, 2008 | 9:52 AM

I do have a 401k, and your argument doesn't address what I am trying to infer. It is in the stock market, that is not a guarantee bro. How much money have you lost in recent months?
And your remarks about the real world are absurd. You know nothing of my education, my travels, my life. You make alot of bold assumptions. You have made claims that I support Kwame, which isn't true either. If I pointed out every little claim you have made against me I would be typing for days. You always mention my age, funny, you don't act like an adult most of the time. Also ironic, that is the only tidbit of information I have really offered about myself [my age] and you, again, make many assumptions.

shockhazard read my blog view my photos
Nov 10, 2008 | 10:49 AM

Detlover , you are more full of sh!t than a porta-potty at a rock concert !

bye-byeMI read my blog view my photos
Nov 10, 2008 | 11:07 AM

LOL, WHAT? you didn't support Kwame? REALLY? Would like for me to find those post you wrote about Kwame?
I make assumptions on what you write. Based on what you write, you haven't traveled outside of Michigan, if you did it's either Canada or Ohio. You stated, "Be afraid of an Education Balck man." They're not bold assumptions, just fact I read on your post, unless you're lying.
And yes, if you do have a 401K your money according to the propose plan is to take it and put it in the Governments hands. If you're good with that, so be it. I don't like it. Oh and by the way your President says he will protect the Middle Class, well MOST 401Ks are done by the Middle Class and by doing this, it will hurt them. So why don't you give me your money and I'll take care of for you.

DetroitLover9550 read my blog view my photos
Nov 10, 2008 | 6:01 PM

Please do find them bye, you won't, because they don't exist. No contradiction to be found. You are obviously confusing me with someone else. Why would I say I don't if I did? Have you ever seen me shy from anything in here? No, I don't think so. I have no problem stating my position or support for anyone. Read up or shut up.

Based on what I write I haven't traveled? What the hell? That is a stupid remark. Again, please support your ridiculous accusations with something viable. Don't worry, I'll wait.

DetroitLover9550 read my blog view my photos
Nov 10, 2008 | 6:02 PM

Ok, here we go with the educated black man remark.
Now, Pay attention, this will be the last time I mention it: that remark was made to a racist. A white supremacist, white separatist, white whatever you want to call it. My exact words were "I am your worse nightmare, an educated black man." Period. They are indeed afraid of educated black men. I am not thug. I don't drink, don't smoke and don't sag. That is the perception they retain. That is not me. That blog post is still available, go read it. So, do your homework bye, unless you continually want to open your mouth and insert your foot. In other words, come correct or don't come at all. Do you have ADHD?

DetroitLover9550 read my blog view my photos
Nov 10, 2008 | 6:03 PM

Gee shock, love ya back bro.

bye-byeMI read my blog view my photos
Nov 10, 2008 | 8:46 PM

"Please do find them bye, you won't, because they don't exist. No contradiction to be found. You are obviously confusing me with someone else."

I'll take your word for it on the Kwame issue. I don't have time looking for it. LOL, no I don't have ADHD, but I do have jet lag!

The 401K, if I pull my money out, I would lose money. It's paper, meaning I don't need to pull it out. Now with this propose plan on putting MY money in Government funds is a big NO GO!!

DetroitLover9550 read my blog view my photos
Nov 12, 2008 | 6:26 AM

Gee, thanks bye. Finally a response that doesn't involve yelling at me or calling me names.

We view the issue different, no doubt.
Side note-Kwame is right where he needs to be.

bye-byeMI read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2008 | 1:05 AM

D_L, when have I called you names? Now I have called you DJ Spins-A-Lot, I don't think thats a bad name.

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