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As FOX, and other stations, flood us with the DTV conversion coming up, there is one thing noticably missing from all the reports...  how to get rid of old TV sets.  Yes, the converter boxes are cheap but we are coming into the holiday season and many people will opt to get new TV's. 

Did you know that over 70% of heavy metals found in landfills come from TV's and CRT's?  That your TV or monitor contains up to 8 pounds of lead, as well as mercury, cadmium, and others?  FOX has been asked repeatedly to inform people of this, and the proper disposal, whether you live in the county or the incorporated areas.  The City of Tampa used to hold collections, but they are few and far between.

So... the county holds 3 collections a month.  They prefer that you take electronics to the collections and not go to the other facilities and toss them into the dumpsters (that go to the landfill because they are mixed in with other waste!)  You can call the county for the information on the collections or go to the website.

 

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Vittorio read my blog view my photos
Nov 12, 2008 | 6:37 PM

That's only a hint of what's to come. Power will be cut at the transmitters. If you're in a fringe area and can just receive the digital bit stream (that would be me), you may have no reception at all when the power output goes down. Then we can dispose of the converter boxes too.

Jeepers! You'd think our government would tell us this since they're the ones causing the digital conversion.

charli read my blog view my photos
Nov 12, 2008 | 7:02 PM

vitt... the government was hoaxed by the cable and satellite companies...

No one thought this out... except for the $$$

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2008 | 1:19 AM

There are places that recycle TVs and electronics. People just need to look them up.

Vitto,

I have always known you were on the fringe but now you confirm it!*lol* Actually, if you are that far out there on the edge of civilization, you should have an antenna with a booster. They work great.

michaelnash read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2008 | 2:13 AM

Cadmium, Mercury and Lead are valuable metals in quantity. The problem is transportation. Getting all of those T.V. sets to the recycling center requires more gasoline than it would be worth. This makes it solely a hazardous waste disposal issue.

bozey45
Nov 13, 2008 | 4:57 AM

Digital coverage is the same as analog; the digital signals don't need as much power to cover the same area. It should be a boon to television stations as far as their power bill will be. The only thing that'll freak out a digital signal is trees or some other blockage--they will be a problem to a lot of people trying to use an antenna.

Vittorio read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2008 | 8:34 AM

A great recommendation from our Ford man. I currently have 2 amps in series; the output of one going to the input of another. I won't introduce any more gain into the system as these devices do have their limits.

charli read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2008 | 5:30 PM

5PM telecast with story from meeting in St Pete... FCC guy says that the analog channels need to be freed up for emergency use during hurricanes... okay. How are we people supposed to get news when the first thing to go is satellite, the cable, the power? Yes, some people can have generators to provide power to the converter boxes but not everyone is allowed to have generators where they live. And... a problem revealed about the boxes and the rabbit ears... if you have a tall tree in your yard... forget reception, unless you/ per advice given to move the rabbit ears around the room until you get reception... okay... my TV is in the living room... my best reception is in the guest bathroom... using a long wire! I know of several stories from England where they went digital years ago. Many people can not get signals because of taller buildings around them. This has also been reported in NYC.

BTW... the meeting last night at the County Center... maybe 40 people and the majority were media.

charli read my blog view my photos
Nov 13, 2008 | 5:40 PM

Oh, BTW, several friends have also reported that FOX is the hardest channel to "pick up". One woman at the St Pete meeting stated that she gets good reception in the morning, but as the day goes by the reception gets bad, and forget when a storm is in the area.

Let's put it this way... if I had bought a 5 pound block of swiss cheese when I started this investigation into the conversion, and punched a hole in the block of cheese for every problem I have found... that block of cheese would only weigh a few ounces!

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Nov 14, 2008 | 12:44 AM

Vitto,

Get a motor so you can rotate your antenna too! Tweaking it just a little helps the signal a lot!

I remember my dad had one of those when I was a kid. Had the little box on top of the TV and you would turn the knob and the antenna would rotate. I told some kid on the block that I had a ray gun and I was going to shoot him with it if he didn't run! I then went in the house and turned the antenna at him. You should have seen the dust cloud behind guy! *lmao* Ahhhhh those were the days!

dlgriggs42 read my blog
Nov 14, 2008 | 9:43 AM

Amen to you Charli! I wrote to the chief engineer at CH 13 and he tells me that if you maximize your signal strength to their station, then your other channels will come in much better. Not only is CH 13 at fault, but CH 8 as well. You can't maximize a signal if there is no way that you have the capability to do so. There should be no difference in connecting your DTV converter box to your TV than there is connecting your antenna to your TV. However, these station engineers believe that we, the viewers, are at fault, when in actuality, they can't put out a good enough signal for you. I have no problem with the reception of CHs 10 and 28 tho. Maybe CHs 8 & 13 should consult with these channels to find out their "secrete." In my opinion, the local channels are NOT READY for DTV altho they want you to believe otherwise.

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Nov 14, 2008 | 10:30 AM

dlg,

Huh? Well I contend that it's 10 and 28 that are at fault then! I get 13 and 8 better than those two! You must live on the other side of the bay near their towers and I live nearer to the 13 and 8 towers in Riverview! When the engineer says to "maximize" the signal, he means point your antenna correctly and make sure you have a quality antenna that's made to receive digital signals.

Why do some people need to assign "Blame" to everything. This is a simple switch over people! Don't get your panties in a bunch!

BTW dlg....I NEVER got ch10 very well, even BEFORE the digital revolution! Was it their fault or mine for living too far from their broadcast? Now I get it just fine!

Viv La Digital!

dlgriggs42 read my blog
Nov 14, 2008 | 11:05 AM

My antenna IS pointed in the direction that www.antennaweb.org tells me to aim it. I get the analog channels as clear as one would get cable. When there is the least bit of moisture in the air or a little wind, forget about digital channels 8.1 and 13.1. When it is crystal clear outside and no moisture or wind, then 8.1 and 13.1 comes in real great. Maybe, mmustangg, if you were to log onto that web site, maybe your other channels would come in just fine. Could be that you have the larger end of your antenna pointed towards the signal instead of the narrow end. By the way, I even used a compass to make sure that I was right on. Do you know how to use a compass?

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Nov 14, 2008 | 11:13 AM

I never said I didn't get them. They just aren't as strong a signal because I LIVE FARTHER AWAY! How is that the station's fault, for you or me? I don't need to use a compass. Did you notice I said my signals are just fine?

bozey45
Nov 14, 2008 | 12:39 PM

No matter what everyone is told, the conversion will be a big boondoggle in a lot of cases. Power used is dependent apparantly on the channel used for the digital broadcast and most stations may be at the limit of the power they are allowed to use. Digital signals are really finicky I'm finding out. If you go to the message boards at AVS Forums, High def forum or the Tampa HDTV forum you'll see that even some living in Riverview itself where the antenna farm is have problems and in their case it seems to be signal overload. Attenuators have to be added to their antenna systems to lessen the signal strength. And there are myriads of problems with tall buildings being a problem, trees, etc etc. That FCC guy on Your Turn really gave the glossed over info about all this. There will be problems and there are problems with these digital signals. If he thinks a lot of us believe this b.s. about wanting these frequencies for 'emergency' use then he's sadly mistaken. This whole conversion is a conspiracy among set manufacturers,cable and satellite companies, major electronic corps and others to shove this 'new technology' down people's throats and maybe force people to subscribe to cable and satellite to receive television as opposed to good old fashioned over the air reception. they are really making it as difficult as possible to receive local channels. These converter boxes, some good and some bad and some terrible--I have several myself. We don't need to get rid of analog tv. You see these message boards about all this and all the techno-geeks love it. They go out and buy all th

bozey45
Nov 14, 2008 | 12:43 PM

They go out and buy all this HDTV nonsense and its like their kids; they complain about the screen sizes being screwed up all the time, some programs being in one format and others in other formats, 1080p, 780p, etc etc. This screws up the battery operated emergency tv sets a lot of us have. Oh, you can buy one for $150-$200 he says yesterday-well thats also b.s. They should have small size dtv battery operated sets out already. Yep, it'll be fun on feb 17 when all this comes down.

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Nov 14, 2008 | 1:48 PM

"This whole conversion is a conspiracy..."

Okay, the conspiracy theorists have arrived. Logic is now optional!

There will be no change for me on Feb 17th because I have been running the digital boxes now for months WITH NO PROBLEMS! Bottom line is that you can get the signals if you want them. We have just traded one kind of static for another. Fuzzy static for pixel static. Big deal! At least now I get channel 10 where I couldn't before. Damn those analog TVs!

DamianXaviarStone read my blog view my photos
Nov 14, 2008 | 10:20 PM

The convenience factor does not seem particularly significant to me, but the disposal issue does! "TV or monitor contains up to 8 pounds of lead, as well as mercury, cadmium, and others ..." This is concerning. I found the following hyperlink to be of interest. Damian.

http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-recycle-your-televi
sion-or-computer-monitor

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Nov 14, 2008 | 11:18 PM

That's the lovely thing about the converter box. YOU DON'T NEED TO THROW AWAY ANYTHING! If I want to recycle my TV, I'll gut it and make a fish tank!*lol*

michaelnash read my blog view my photos
Nov 15, 2008 | 8:59 PM

8 pounds?

michaelnash read my blog view my photos
Nov 15, 2008 | 9:05 PM

Gosh, I hope some big news event- like an earthquake happens. Or a War, perhaps. Anything to enliven the conversation. It's like I'm back in Iowa. (cricket, cricket)

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Nov 15, 2008 | 9:10 PM

If you are here for the excitement, you are in trouble. I'm here for the buffet!*lmao*

bozey45
Nov 16, 2008 | 4:51 AM

Well, lets see how many have died from Cathode ray tube poisoning in the last 60+ years, probably a slim number to none, so its another environmentalist wacko way-out nonsense theory that does nothing but raise the cost of disposal of everything to satisfy their b.s. nonsense. The nonsense in Iraq has probably killed more in 5 or 6 years than cathode ray tubes have since 1948.

moct
Nov 16, 2008 | 9:28 AM

Everyone seems to be ontop of this subject, so maybe someone can help me. Through my slight research, I haven't really found my answer yet. So my emergency (battery powered) tv won't work, ok, I need to buy a converter box, right?, ok. How does that work?...does it have to somehow be connected to my cable to get reception in Feb? If there is no power in an emergency, we have nothing?

charli read my blog view my photos
Nov 16, 2008 | 11:37 AM

moct... that's what I have been saying this whole time. Yes. Your E-TV has to be connected to cable for it to receive... no converter box needed, BUT with no cable, you need the converter box... and power for the converter box. There are battery operated power systems for the converter box. Now, if you are lucky to live some where that allows you do have a generator, you will be okay.

charli read my blog view my photos
Nov 16, 2008 | 11:42 AM

bozey... death by cathode... let's see, how many have died? Millions! Does the word "cancer" mean anything to you? Remember that until recent years, and still not world wide, the land fills did not have liners to keep the heavy metals and other poisons from getting into the eco-system, ground water, etc.

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Nov 16, 2008 | 11:49 AM

moct,

You are joking right? All the commercials that are out there and this make no sense to you yet? Doesn't sound like you watch a lot of TV anyway.

If you have cable, you don't have to worry about a thing! You get your signal from the cable box.

If you use an antenna to get your TV signals(not cable TV) you need a converter box. The box just hooks up in between your antenna and your TV and converts the new signal into something your TV can use.

Don't worry about portables until you master the regular ones.

Here are the two ways you hook up a TV to the digital converters.




mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Nov 16, 2008 | 11:54 AM

Charli,

You don't need a generator. All you need is an "inverter" from Pep Boys or Radio Shack and a car battery or your car. That should power both the digital box and your portable TV.

BTW, like the diagrams?

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Nov 16, 2008 | 11:58 AM

Should you need to hook it up with a VCR/DVD player, here's the diagram for that.

charli read my blog view my photos
Nov 17, 2008 | 6:00 PM

tangers.. good work! As to your other suggestions... Yeah, I want to sit in my car during a hurricane! I have tried 3 inverters and the converter kicks out after a few hours. The inverter is still charged but I have to "reboot" the converter.

charli read my blog view my photos
Nov 19, 2008 | 5:37 PM

Some more disturbing news about the conversion... at a recent meeting of the BOCC the conversion was mentioned. Seems the FCC stated that the Tampa Bay area is in deep doodoo should a disaster happen.

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charli

I am an Environmental Specialist with Hills. Cty. Basically, I am a "dumpster diver". I also do a lot of educational graphics design about the proper disposal of household chemical & electronics, litter, etc. My hobbies are very diverse... golf and reading, with sci-fi, forensic mysteries, and history being my favorites. My other passion is photography, mostly nature. Ever since experiencing my first hurricane in Florida, Cleo in 1964 when I was 15, when the eye went over my house, I have been fascinated with weather. I have a 99% accuracy... including predicting Charley's turn away from Tampa the night before he hit down south.

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