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Nader, Barr muscle onto the Nov. ballots

Ben Adler

Fri Sep 19, 6:27 AM ET

Third-party presidential candidates Ralph Nader and Bob Barr will be on nearly all the state ballots on Nov. 4, according to their campaigns and independent tallies, raising the threat they could be spoilers on Election Day and siphon key votes away from Barack Obama and John McCain.

Nader, the left-leaning independent, won more than 2.7 percent of the vote as the Green Party candidate in the 2000 election, when Republican George W. Bush barely squeaked by Democrat Al Gore. Many Democrats blame Nader for taking votes from Gore and tilting the election to Bush.

This campaign season, Nader and Barr together are drawing about 3.3 percent of the vote in recent polls – easily enough to swing the results in a tight race, as the contest is shaping up to be.

“If the race remains close, anything could tip the difference,” said non-partisan pollster Scott Rasmussen. He cautioned, however, that both Nader and Barr were slipping in recent surveys, and could decline even more by Election Day.

“People who are unhappy with a candidate say they will vote for a third party, but they get more dissatisfied with the possibility of helping the greater evil win as the election gets closer,” Rasmussen said.

Nader is on the ballot in 45 states and the District of Columbia, but he missed the ballots in Georgia, Indiana, North Carolina, Oklahoma and voter-rich Texas, all of which are leaning towards McCain, according to recent surveys.

“Nader was prudent,” said Richard Winger, a ballot access expert who is advising the minor party candidates and who provided an authoritative list of the state ballots for November. “He knew what all the laws were and didn’t waste his money on the five that were too hard.”

“I don’t think anyone has gotten on more ballots more quickly from zero,” Nader claimed in an interview with Politico, saying that he did not begin his ballot drive until late May. His four-month drive faced serious hurdles, because unlike the 2000 campaign, Nader does not have the assistance of a political party this year, and his campaign is strapped for funds.

Cynthia McKinney, a former Democratic congresswoman from Georgia, is the Green Party’s candidate in November and is on the ballot in 32 states and the District of Columbia. Chuck Baldwin, the nominee of the Constitution Party, a right-leaning counterpart to the Greens, is on 37 state ballots, according to Winger’s tally.

Nader is on the ballot in two more states this year than in 2000, when he made the cut in 43 states, but his potential Electoral College tally is smaller this time because he did not qualify for the ballot in the mega-state of Texas. Instead, he added smaller states such as Idaho, Wyoming and South Dakota to the places where he will run.

 

Bob Barr, the former Republican congressman from Georgia who is the Libertarian Party candidate, made the ballot in at least 44 states, according to Winger. Barr did not make the ballot in D.C. or West Virginia, and he is challenging Connecticut’s decision to drop him from the rolls after the state invalidated signatures on his candidate petitions and said that he did not reach the minimum.

Barr also has mounted court challenges to rulings leaving him off the ballots in Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts and Oklahoma.

In Louisiana, Barr asserts, the Secretary of State’s office was closed for a week because of Hurricane Gustav when the petition filing deadline elapsed. In Maine, Barr submitted some petitions a day late, but he claims that deadlines were never rigidly enforced in the past. In Oklahoma, Barr is asking a federal court to hold that the state’s ballot requirements, which are among the toughest in the country, are too onerous, citing as evidence that only the Republican and Democratic candidates qualified for the ballot in 2004 and this year.

On Monday Barr defeated a court challenge from a Republican Party official in Pennsylvania who argued that the Libertarian Party had improperly substituted Barr’s name for another candidate’s who had been submitted earlier. It was the only state where Republicans have challenged him.

Massachusetts blocked Barr from the ballot for a similar reason, and he is contesting that decision as well.

Nader told Politico that he thinks the extended primary season helped divert the Democrats’ attention from his candidacy. He also filed suit against the Democratic National Committee last year for its effort to keep him off ballots in 2004. That, Nader said, and the indictment of Democratic staffers in the Pennsylvania State house for allegedly using state resources to work on the party’s challenge to him may have discouraged Democrats from using similar tactics this time, he said.

-------------------------- So what do you think?  Are they spoilers.. or is this what makes our democracy so great?
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candyaquino read my blog view my photos
Sep 19, 2008 | 2:35 PM

IMO, they are definately spoilers.....its no secret.......the democrats USED THIS TYPE OF TATICS ALL THE TIME......CAUSE IF THEY CAN'T GET WHAT THEY WANT......THEY NEED TO SPOIL IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE......THEREFORE UPSETTING THE VOTES..........GOOD JOB DEMOCRAPS.......the more of these types of situations THE MORE I QUESTION MY MENTALITY IN EVER FALLING INTO THE CRAP.......DEMS........THAT IS......LOL........big Hello to you Gal!!!!

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
Sep 19, 2008 | 2:36 PM

p.s. this is what happens when "change" don't get'em nowhere..........then they become hostile and SPOILERS....OF EVENTS......SHAME...DEMOCRACRY......MORE LIKE HYPOCRACY IN TODAY'S WORLD........

Hawkeye read my blog
Sep 19, 2008 | 2:56 PM

While I believe that such people MAY or may NOT have less then honorable reasons for running..Such as Perot because of a vendatta against Bush 1 and Jackson just plain making MILLIONS of dollars out of being a consistant Loser,, the mere FACT that this is possible is NOT in itself a BAD thing..

I predict that there WILL come a day,,when ENOUGH people have been convinced that the Differences between the TWO major parties have become as negligable as they are today,, a THIRD Party shall emerge from the scattered pieces that NOW comprise the some 500 Independent Parties that are out there..

ALL it takes is for ONE real LEADER to bring them ALL together..

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
Sep 19, 2008 | 3:07 PM

Hawkeye..YOU ALWAYS HIT IT ON THE NAIL.....BUT as I am growing WISER....NOTICE i didn't say older, but wiser......I really think ELIMINATE PARTIES............A PERSON SHOULD BE VOTED INTO OFFICE FOR THEIR EXPERIENCE AND FOR WHO THEY ARE NOT WHAT PARTY THEY BELOGN TO......it is a sad thing when I talk to people WHO HAVE NEVER VOTED suddenly attacked and acosted by DEMS REPRESENTATIVES who register people without asking.......I call that SPOILER......

shadows read my blog
Sep 19, 2008 | 3:20 PM

They aren't spoilers by any means. They represent all that America represents.

It is clear that Bob Barr is the only true Conservative Candidate, and that Nader presents a little different "twist" in his Liberal approach.

True conservatives will vote for Barr and Liberals who place the environment first will vote for Nader. Oh sure some of the partisans will whine and call them spoilers, but that is to be expected from people with socialist or communist leanings who would like to limit choices for the people.

Barr and Nader are part of what makes America great!! Choice and diversity!!!!

Hawkeye read my blog
Sep 19, 2008 | 4:09 PM

Thanks Candy…

TRUE conservatives will probably NOT vote en masse for Barr ANYMORE then True liberals are going to vote for Nader..And ANYMORE then they did that Whack Job Ron Paul..

AS it stands today Conservatives are faced in the unenviable position of having to choose the Lesser of two Evils.. A FULL blown Liberal Anti American Socialist or someone who SEEMS to have some trouble deciding WHOSE side he’s really on..

McCain might NOT be the BEST choice for Conservatives but at LEAST he’s NO Blame America for Everything,, Bash America at EVERY opportunity,, Anti -Capatalist Obama who rejects the notion that GOVERNMENT is NOT the peoples’ Mommy and Daddy..

That the American Dream is something to ASPIRE to and WORK for,, NOT a “ Right “ to be supplied by Big Daddy Government..THAT’S what GOT us INTO this Mess in the FIRST Place....

Conservatives will VOTE to PROTECT America FROM the Obamas,, Pelosis,, Reids,, Schumers,, Franks,, Dodds,, KENNEDYS and yes,, EVEN the Chuck HAGELS of the World before they throw their votes away on some Pipedream Candidate…..

shadows read my blog
Sep 19, 2008 | 8:27 PM

So Hawkeye, you seem to agree with me that they aren't spoilers......it's a great day!!

As you pointed out some Conservatives may be used to accepting second best.....

Now you also seem to be suggesting that we are in a mess? What kind of mess? With a Republican/conservative in the White House, and a Republican/conservative controlled Congress for 11 of the last 13 years, certainly we can't be in a big mess can we?

Hawkeye read my blog
Sep 20, 2008 | 1:17 AM

It has NEVER been an argument that we are in a mess and that we have been heading in this direction for some time now..I have seen this coming for 40 years now and I am NOT the Only one either..That's FAR more then JUST the last 11 years..

The Argument has ALWAYS been what to DO about it..And what we're seeing NOW is NOT it...

And DON'T call Bush a Conservative..He LEANS that way but NO conservative would have supported the Amnesty Bill for the Illegal Invaders..NOT by a LONG shot..

Not ALL Republicans are Conservative and THAT is a PROBLEM...

mscsailor read my blog
Sep 20, 2008 | 6:46 AM

Spoilers? Maybe. While the two major parties have a stranglehold on power in the US, they have not been able to totally eliminate all competition. The one vestige of the ideals of the founding fathers is the ability for even a small minority party to be able to ask the American people to represent them. While the major parties may label them as "spoilers", I like to just think of them as candidates.

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
Sep 20, 2008 | 10:31 AM

too many captains on the ship............MAN OVER BOARD...............its time.........

anytime Hawkeye.......

ok not spoilers............would feces...sums it up................I think so.......

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