Steve_Gehlbach's Blog

Well.. it was Hillary Clinton who over 2 years ago was said to have clinched the super delegates long before the campaigns ever even started... So comfortable with her position that when States began to play with the schedule, she didn't blink an eye... Then when she was handed her first defeat after Super Tuesday, the Clinton machine was turned upside down, and left scrambling to kick start the campaign and financing that she NEVER thought she would need to continue.

Now suddenly superdelegates will be the sword she falls on, and only recently do we hear of the popular vote being so vital. This time a year ago, she dismissed the popular vote...

I think everyone is getting to see the Democrat Party peeled like an onion and for the first time the hypocracy is in full view! Crys about Florida in 2000, more yet from 2004 and Ohio, and now we find that superdelegates have peverted the popular vote decades? Talk about having it both ways...

The answer bchans is neither.

There is no "unalienable" right to vote. Its where people get the Constitution and the Federalist papers confused.

Just as there is no right to privacy.

Everyone knows from recent history that the popular vote is not what counts in the primaries or in the general election. Obviously there are certain people that are pleased about that and others who think that the popular vote should be used to elect a president, not only for representation purposes but also to keep "political trickery" and/or corruption to a minimum.

What type of election representation and process/structure does the U.S. advocate for younger democracies such as Iraq or Afghanistan? Does the popular vote elect a president or its equivalent?

THAT! is your Democrat party putting the PARTY over the people! Then giving themselves superdelegates to even wipe out the "half vote" they were nice enough to let us have for a few days...

Where is the call to disband the superdelegates? Yep.. we do need to change our public schools system!! Lets teach the kids to THINK instead of just ABSORB! Then we will have a generation that won't stand for such ridiculous manipulation!

Abunai, thanks for answering my question. The "representation" of the people seems to still be a sometimes violently contested issue.

But it is probably good that it is some sort of representative electoral process since many of the voters reportedly were not familiar with many of the names on the ballots. Of course they weren't told who to vote for were they?

I agree with your assessment of the Democratic party fiasco. First of all, rules are rules to be enforced. Second, the allotment doesn't really make any sense. Either use the actual results of the election process or don't.

This is another example of governance by committee (or courts). It doesn't reflect the wishes of the people, but perhaps it provides a preview of things to come in the general election......... again.

how come republicans are more hostile then democrats. I've know they get angry when things dont seem to go their way. All of the fighting between the two will be tested with the vote in Nov. Then we will see who is who...maybe Obama will be able to keep his campain promises unlike Bush.

But lets discuss the topic of popluar vs. delegate votes:

If last night it has been the general election and a democrat had lost while holding the RECORD BREAKING popular vote, Democrats would be rioting in the streets!

Why is it Democrats continue to allow themselves to be punked and manipulated in such fashion! Had they run their primary as the Republicans did, that historical popular vote would be Hillary as the winner take all instead of this "everyone wins something" stuff. The idea of splitting delegates by percentages, is a measure to ensure the voter's voice is not completely silenced, yet then superdelegates swoop in with a second vote (argued to be unconstitutional itself) and snatch the voter's choice anyways!

The complacency of Democrats to be used this way is mind numbing! Just as they demanded a voice in Florida when they though it might matter, now it is waved in their face on a national level!

I would be embarrassed to be called a Democrat today!