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by Spectre from Oviedo, FL

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The anti-war left confounds and exasperates me =/

Tonight I listened to a focus group from the Democratic debate.  One of the attendees said he was for Obama because he would immediately pull troops out of Iraq.  He further revealed that his brother-in-law served in Iraq and was back, but having some mental challenges.  So what if he had been in Afghanistan?  Because it’s a “legitimate” war would his brother-in-law not have the same (understandable) post-war problems?

No matter your feelings about Iraq, we’re there and we must prevail –period!  UBL himself gleefully played Iraq as the central battle ground for the WOT.  For months and months the Democrats tried to paint Iraq as a civil war and how it was unwinnable, (of course they didn’t mind our intervention into Darfur’s civil war).  Now that the surge is showing very good signs of success, the war is relegated to page A12, they’ve even shelved the ridiculous “death count” page now that they can’t stick this in our faces daily.  As I’ve blogged in the past, I’ve stood on the ramp at OIA and watched the honorable procession of a military escort of one of our area’s fallen heroes.  I’ve seen young widows, children, parents and siblings – with their sorrow overflowing.  It’s a sensation hard to describe as you feel their pain, but also the respect and honor for the ultimate sacrifice of a service member. 

In typical fashion, another focus group member spoke of her desire for a department of peace.  What a silly notion, we have that:  it’s called the Department of Defense!

Although its apparent both in the front pages of newspapers and the presidential election, the war in Iraq is not the focal-point (disaster?) they had hoped for….In a sense, one could argue that President Bush has been too successful in the WOT.  Hear me out – since we made Iraq and Afghanistan the central fronts for the war, being on offense has made the nation safer, (note the context).  Democrats want us to return to a September 10, 2001 sentiment.  They talk tough on terror, but drag their feet in funding the war effort, while diminishing our intelligence resources holding wasteful hearings and worrying about Geneva Convention violations of blood-thirsty killers that want to saw off our heads.  If you really want to understand the evil we face, it’s relatively easy to find Internet videos of such gruesome death.  Once you understand our enemy, their motivations and their desire to kill Americans, perhaps you will understand when wars are necessary.

Interestingly, with victory in sight, but not guaranteed, the Democrats, (lead by a powerful hard left element in America) are working hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. 

I hope I live long enough to see how history judges this period in America.

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DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
Feb 1, 2008 | 3:48 AM

"No matter your feelings about Iraq, we're there and we must prevail-period!"

Exactly.

Anyone that does not get that is a fool.

zbert read my blog
Feb 1, 2008 | 11:19 AM

Our country is bankrupt and still borrowing Billions from China. The World Bank is going to lower the rating on our bonds, making borrowing more expensive. The world is changing to the Euro as the basis because the US Dollar is too unstable. All of the other countries pulled out of Iraq with no terrorists following them home. The people of Afghanistan are starting to invite the TALIBAN back.
WE ARE THE MOST FEARED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. It used to be the Soviet Union.
How is this occupation helping us?

zbert read my blog
Feb 1, 2008 | 11:25 AM

Spectre, have you READ "Atlas Shrugged" or did you just put that in your bio to look like you did?
Ayn Rand would have a real arguement with you.

Spectre read my blog view my photos
Feb 1, 2008 | 1:10 PM

Hey Zbert,don't insult me with such an absurd assumption, of course I read the book, it has shaped much of my conservative values. I read it in 1985 , but I think I can still remember most of the players, like John Gaul & Dagney Taggert. Most feared huh? Then 'splain' to me why there a millions of folks around the world clamoring to become U.S. Citizens?

As for Ayn Rand, I suspect her idea for the book was based upon her experiences in the USSR. She was also an aetheist, which is completely incongruent with my beliefs.. If anything, the "take matters in your own hands" emphasis in the book points to our being on offense. Quite frankly, I don't give a damn about the rest of the world's feelings about us. They do know that we are the first to help when the chips our down.. As for the economy, it is more of a global economic engine, but don't think for one minute that we are not the alpha and omega of the global economy -- you could see that on just the recent stockmarket downturn. At least you're honest enough to confirm my suspicions about how the left feels about Afghanistan ('occupation') and Iraq...

zbert read my blog
Feb 1, 2008 | 2:09 PM

Ayn Rand believed in anarchy. She believed that all government is evil. Moving to the US didn't change that.
She called the Libertarian Party not libertarian enough.
Your spin on the book is what shaped your values.
I suggest you go back and read it along with some of her other works.

zbert read my blog
Feb 1, 2008 | 2:13 PM

"don't think for one minute that we are not the alpha and omega of the global economy -- you could see that on just the recent stockmarket downturn."
Not anymore. The world is turning against the USDollar. The racent downturn you mentioned proves it, in that the rest of the world's stock market is starting to recover ahead of ours.

zbert read my blog
Feb 1, 2008 | 2:19 PM

As for the Occupation, what would you call it? Is it a "friendly takeover"?
Our troops occupy a foreign country. There is no declared war. They did not threaten or attack us.

You don't care what the world thinks? what happens when they stop buying our products? What happens when something happens and they don't come to help? Then you will care.

zbert read my blog
Feb 1, 2008 | 2:21 PM

Your problem is you think in Left-Right parameters when no such thing exists. Nobody is purely left or right. Everybody is a combination depending on the subject.

zbert read my blog
Feb 1, 2008 | 2:24 PM

BTW, the scariest thing I've ever seen is Congress in Session!

Spectre read my blog view my photos
Feb 1, 2008 | 5:09 PM

Well, finally common ground! I liked your last comment. Irrespective of Rand's philosophy, in Atlas Shrugged, she points to less government and more rugged individualism (dare I say capitalism)? These are conservative values -- less gov'mint. Yes, technically we are occupying Afghanistan and Iraq. But the Left uses this term as a pajorative. I still disagree with you on our sted in the global economy. Despite not being a manufacturing power, we have intellectual, business/finance/investment powers. While China's emergence is troubling, I believe it will eventually collapse with a burgeoning middle class. I guess I'm real exposed out there on my Global Warming and Global Economy thoughts....I vehemently disagree on your Right-Left point. The Left controls the media, entertainment, schools (all levels). I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but there is a coalescing effect that quite frankly worries me. And please don't compare conservatives like me, to the extreme far right.

zbert read my blog
Feb 1, 2008 | 5:31 PM

It's not something I'm making up, unfortunately. I wish I was. This has been all over every news agency and the internet.
The World Bank is lowering the rating of our bonds from AAA. Any drop can make them junk in no time.
China is consedered a military concern by the Pentagon, yet we borrow Billions of dollars from them. They own a lot of the USA. India is the largest software designer in the world, followed by Ireland. We have real inflation in excess of 10%. Nobody knows for sure because they stopped reporting it.
This is REAL. Look it up.

zbert read my blog
Feb 1, 2008 | 5:37 PM

China, besides it's government, is very capitalistic. They have a hands off policy to most of the economy. Since they took back Hong Kong, they started adapting their economy to it.
Their economy and population is too big ffor the government to control.
If they want to defeat us, all they need to do is sell our debts. We will be a bankrupt third world country in no time.
That's not only my opinion, that is from major economists.

Meb452m read my blog
Feb 1, 2008 | 11:28 PM

Great post Spectre ! I hope I live long enough to see how history judges this period as well. It would be nice to see several chapters devoted to treason the many and numerious trials, with a couple of pictures of the swingers thrown in as well !

Meb452m read my blog
Feb 1, 2008 | 11:30 PM

Like the avitar, have you got one of " Puff" as well ?

zbert read my blog
Feb 1, 2008 | 11:51 PM

The traitors are the ones who ignored the Constitution and got us into this mess.

Article 2, Section 1:

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Meb452m read my blog
Feb 2, 2008 | 1:16 AM

Well zbert, you've posted some accurate information. Now in your own word's describe how Bush has violated his oath. Bear in mind ceap paper back novels and Marvel Comics are not considered a reliable source of information.

zbert read my blog
Feb 2, 2008 | 1:32 AM

How many times do I have to do that?
Read the Constitution of the United States. Then look at what he has done. Look at the liess, the invasion and occupation of a country that was no danger to us, spying on US citizens, unwarranted wiretapping, interception of e-mail, allowing torture which is cruel and unusual treatment, ignored Habeus Corpus,
The list is too long. He has thrown out the entire Constitution after shredding it.

Meb452m read my blog
Feb 2, 2008 | 2:09 AM

You still haven't got your facts right. A President may make a domestic or foreign policy agenda, BUT THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH MUST ENDORSE IT BY A MAJORITY VOTE FOR IT TO BECOME LAW OR POLICY. The problem zbert is when presented with ACTUAL FACT you deny them or fabricate a story that suits your personal beliefs or needs. Grow up baby boy !

zbert read my blog
Feb 2, 2008 | 2:21 AM

You have it backwards. The President endorses what the Legislative branch decides.
You are the one denying actual facts.
I keep hearing everybody say we are a nation of laws, whatever that means.
The Supreme law controling the Federal Government is the Constitution. If you say we need to obey laws, but the Federal government can ignore the laws to make us obey laws, you are creating a tyrannical dictatorship.
I didn't write the Constitution. I don't understand why you say I am fabricating it.

Meb452m read my blog
Feb 2, 2008 | 3:02 AM

The President can Veto a bill sent to him by the legislature. You zebert claim that the war is all Bush's doing. He is the Commander in Chief, but CANNOT take AMERICA to war at his sole bidding, as is YOUR BASELESS CLAIM. I didn't claim the Constitution was wriiten or fabricated by you. You CANNOT make a single factual claim as to how the President has violated his office or the constitution. In your own words,zbert,state a factual account.

Meb452m read my blog
Feb 2, 2008 | 3:11 AM

Spectre, it will be intresting to see who writes that chapter in history as well. Will it be a historically factual account or a poorly written fiction or fancifull account.

zbert read my blog
Feb 2, 2008 | 10:33 AM

Meb452m, I won't bother repeating myself for someone who is following his leader blindly.
You won't listen, you won't read, you won't think. You depend on your masters to tell you what to think and believe.
I have stated the FACTS many times. If you choose to ignore and deny those facts, I can't do any more for you.

zbert read my blog
Feb 2, 2008 | 10:43 AM

I never claimed it was all bush's doing. He spread the lies. The Congress should have done their job and check the info rather than just allow him to do whatever he wanted. He is responsible because he sent the troops. He started the invasion with no plans or understanding of the area. He occupied a country that was no danger to us.
There is a movement in the World Court to bring charges of crimes against Humanity against him.
Osama baited us into invading the area. It is his area. He is laughing at us.

Spectre read my blog view my photos
Feb 2, 2008 | 11:06 PM

Z,

I appreciate your sentiments about the Constitution, but at the same time you "regurgitate" the same leftist rederic, "Bush Lied, War for Oil." Again, however we got there, we are there. Since you appear to be supporting a globalist view (World Court), did you forget about the 20+ U.N. Resolutions, (not that I believe we needed them, as Sadam violated nearly every condition he agreed to after Gulf War I)? Also, Congress did vote to approve the action, (including a bunch of Democrats). So why has the world invested in the U.S. (to watch us fall)? No, it's to make money, which irrespective of whether or not they like us, they want to make money more than anything else. For certain, our Economy is not the same as it was in the 1970's and as I previously mentioned, there is a larger global economy that is intertwined. Ever hear of the Sunspot theory? "Experts" like the one's you tout, believed that certain economic cycles happened purely due to solar activity. You really impeach your credibility when you bring up silly notions like "war crimes against Bush." I've seen countless leftist demonstrations in the U.S. and around the world with protesters saying Bush is the real terrorist. I ask you, does this comport to reality? The fact is, Bush's Terror strategy of preemption has freed millions of opressed people -- mostly Muslims. While Afghanistan and Iraq are far from being mature democracies, there is a good chance that some semblance of democratic governance can be had in both of these countries. Grant it, it's a crap shoot, given the thousands of years of

Spectre read my blog view my photos
Feb 2, 2008 | 11:24 PM

MEB,

No pictures of Puff. I love the Spectre since I lived on 'em for 6 glorious years. The C-130 has proven to be one hell of a platform! Although most of them are in either Iraq or Afghanistan right now, they are all based right here in the Sunshine State (Hulburt Field, home of the 1st Special Operations Wing).

Despite a jaundiced press and academia, I trust the prism of time to accurately gauge these historical events. For example, there is no desputing that Carter was one of the worst President's in recent time. Although everyone wants to paint GW Bush in this same light, as he accurately states, our critics will be judging us long after we have passed!

Speaking of W, I proudly voted for him twice, but I haven't blindly supported him. He was wrong on Medicare Prescription Drugs, Non-defense spending, Harriet Meyers and Immigration. His tax cuts and economic turnaround, (despite the aforementioned spending) turned around the economy in what will be judged as nothing less than spectacular. His appointments of Robert and Alito will serve to add some sanity to the Supreme Court for many years to come. I give him a B so far. There is no discounting how he handed the Democrats defeat after defeat, even after the last election cycle, particularly with Congress' attempts to circumvent the President's Constitutional power as Commander-in Chief and a willing partisan press pounding and pounding the American public about the war, (the premise of this thread - but I digress)! If GWB had the oratory skills of say Barack Obama, he probably would be held in same r

zbert read my blog
Feb 2, 2008 | 11:48 PM

Spectre, before you talk about the Constitution, READ IT!
The President is not Commander in Chief until the Congress declares war. They have not.
I am not a globalist, you are. You are the one who brings up the UN Resolutions. Sadam was cooperating with the UN. They were satisfied. Bush kept piling on conditions.
I was just pointing out that he is being charged.

zbert read my blog
Feb 3, 2008 | 12:01 AM

The rest of the world is no longer investing in the US. The are BUYING us. US companies are no longer considered good investments. The US Dollar is unstable. The rest of the word is starting to use the Euro as a base.
Sunspot theory? your really reaching for anything. ONE economist in the 1800's proposed that theory and it was discredited by everyone. If that's your idea of economics, you don't know much.

zbert read my blog
Feb 3, 2008 | 1:03 AM

Bush has no strategy. He agressivly invaded and occupied a nonagressive country. He ignored his generals who said they would need more troops. He attacked without the needed armor. He didn't research how they would react. The weapons we used (DU shells) will leave Iraq poisoned for centuries. People will die, including our own people, from this poison. Using those WMD's we have committed slow genocide. Is that enough of a crime?

zbert read my blog
Feb 3, 2008 | 1:10 AM

The people we went to "free" are less free than under Sadam Hussain. The government we established there is brutal and the leaders hide in the green zone under our protection.
We train the Iraqi army. Many of the recruits disappear with the weapons and ammunition and training. WE are training our enemy. They are patiently waiting.

Spectre read my blog view my photos
Feb 3, 2008 | 1:34 AM

Yeah, and the trains ran on time under Musilini.... I'm not an Economics Major, but I do understand the subject pretty well... My point about the Sunspot theory was that it was espoused as fact, by more than the theorist. I think it's fair to criticize the post-war plan, but the surge and counterinsurgency plan now in effect is working. This war has been unlike any other and the IED has proven to be a crude, but effective weapon. It's pretty easy to play the hindsight game. I think Rumsfeld said it best, you go to the war with the resources you have...Assymetrical war is ugly and not easily fought. Our enemy is smart and constantly adapts. I think I made it pretty clear that we would be in this far after UBL. It's interesting, you claim you are not a globalist, yet your rhetoric is congruent to what the left and globalists spout. Are you expecting a "green war" with tofu bullets? Given the meturological advancements in armor, ordinance has become high tech, including uranium packed shells. I wonder where we'd be today if not for our nuclear arsenal. I make no apologies for what it takes to keep us safe. Again, if you don't like us, you will respect us. Our enemy perceived us as weak and thanks to that, we were attacked on US soil for the first time in history (Pearl Harbor aside). I think we've both made our points and the only validation will be time....

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Spectre

Aviation Professional. Married 21 years, (two daughters 9 & 13). Born. SEP'61 Proud to be a Conservative, Christian Republican. Embry-Riddle Grad 1991. Pro-gun, (CWP) & Pro-life! I bleed Red, White, ORANGE & BLUE! Favorite Books: The Bible, Atlas Shrugged, The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. Favorite Commentators: Limbaugh/Beck/Hannity/O'R
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tz/Ingraham/Humphries What's a Spectre? The scariest thing you've ever seen: the AC-130 Gunship (One helluva terrorist killer). Former AC-130 Crewmember 1st Special Operations Wing, (SOW) Hurlburt AFB, FL 1980-1986.

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