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I learned quite a bit about religion while I was younger both from college and my travels. all in all, I was trying to be knowledgeable and learn about all the different types of religion there were. I studied up on Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism, Judaism and a lot more. I came to believe that they all have their place in the world. I still do for that matter. In this knowledge I realized that I never needed to force my belief's down another's throat. I also never understood why some people so adamantly  try to bully others into accepting their beliefs? I never for once thought that my own religion was the only right religion. I learned early on that, that sort of arrogance, is an act of man not God.

I always believed that God has a plan for all of us, I don't believe in destiny nor do I believe that this plan is set in stone but I do believe he and only he knows what the outcome will be and in the end how we get there will be God's will alone. All in all I think we as people are given the choice to get to the right place by God. He gives us the tools to make our lives a success or failure based on the basic principles of right and wrong all people know. These are the "rights and wrongs" that no matter what the religion, deep down inside we know the ethical and moral implications of them. Those alone allow us the knowledge to make the right decisions.

You can see this in all the religions of the world, they profess the base instincts of the human soul. These religious dogmas spoken so reverently all have the same basic principles to them. The pursuit of righteousness, the pursuit of wisdom, the pursuit of happiness and the chance to share our beliefs with others of the same mindset.

I've never been comfortable in saying that any religion is better than any other. I think we are all obligated to follow the religion we can place faith in. When people say that because one is of a different religion, they are automatically going to hell, it disturbs me. I for one don't believe that, I think god and god alone knows who is going to hell and who is not. In fact I think it's arrogant to assume to know this and get profoundly upset when people preach their religious diatribes espousing that they follow the "true religion" thus they are the only one's going to heaven.

I also never liked how people always say that any government was formed by god's will. In fact to me, religion and politics are diametrically opposed to one another, and I could never see the logic of people thinking that God would even want to commingle the two. There for it amazes me how people say that "God blessed this country" or "God is punishing us." I'm not saying that God doesn't do that, but let's face it, 99.99% of the time we do the punishing ourselves, it's just easier to place the blame on a higher power. I find it amusing how some governments are so afraid of religions that they will persecute those that follow them because they are afraid of what's being taught, even when that dogma is benign. I wonder a lot of times if they are afraid of the people or afraid of the entity behind their beliefs? After all, it's human nature to be afraid of that which we do not know.

I think a lot of those professing to be atheists fall into that category, they are afraid of what these religions entail in one way or another. As such they shy away from professing faith in anything but the abject apathy towards their being a higher power. Truly, anyone who looks in themselves will see that there is an element in them that needs something to believe in and deep down inside that need helps nourish their soul. How do you live a life with out believing that there is something afterwards? That is also human nature, every religion in the world expresses the belief in some type of afterlife. So it amazes me how people can try to logically approach religion when seriously, it's not about logic, it's about faith.

I actually told a man off today when he stated that Myanmar and China were being punished by God. I asked him if he lived in a place he knew was prone to earthquakes would he build his house of bricks or straw? He didn't want to answer but I think most would say straw? Why? Because it's logical and we know that these type of geological events happen and there for we have the knowledge of what happens. It's through the wisdom God has endowed us with that we are to take that knowledge and do something about it. So in the end if someone dies from an earthquake, it's people who are really to blame for not taking the right steps to protect themselves, not God. That people make mistakes is natural, to err is human to forgive devine, there for we should have empathy and compassion for those suffering. Why? Because we all make mistakes and god willing, we learn from them.

I guess that's about it. I wanted to right something about what I saw in people and how they approach religion but all in all I just wrote how I view the world and religion myself. Like a lot personal views it probably went blah, blah, blah after the first couple of lines. Anyway thanks for reading.




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Sageman read my blog
May 15, 2008 | 1:13 AM

I would also reiterate that accidents happen and that no matter what the precaution you can be caught off guard and unprepared, at that point no one is to blame. We all become complacent at times and at that point, unfortunately, disaster strikes . Then we are left to pick up the pieces. It's no one's fault but at the same time it's everyones fault if we continue to let it happen.

All in all I only have the most heartfelt compassion for those suffering from the recent events in China, Myanmar and our own area. I hope we all find the time to say a prayer and wish all of those affected well.

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
May 15, 2008 | 11:50 AM

Wow...Sage this is beautiful and all so true...thank you. I am glad we or I found a common with you. I too have tried to be knowledgeable and studied a few religion. My interest was that of Judaism being a Catholic my parents and husband did not approve but it was the best 16 weeks I have ever had in my life. I learned so much and what you said about having a place in this world is so true. I however, am confused by recent blogs regarding Athiest...of course, knowing that Castro is one doesn't make it easier, but I have converse with many after reading these blogs and it just doesn't add up. It is well known that someone who is Athiest or of that belief..BELIEVE in nothing...so its hard to see someone accepting beign bless from one person and not the other.

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
May 15, 2008 | 11:54 AM

i have asked on these blogs for some enlightment and no one would give an answer..so I guess I will just put it in God's hand. On the other topic you touch about people enforcing or bullying their beliefs.. I think God helped you write this SO THAT i can see that I am not wrong in my judgement..You see my soon to be 19 year old has been dating this boy for six months, he and his family are Petescostal. I for one was never keen on this particular religion since I think they just GO OVERBOARD..but when I saw my child who has changed dramatically and they even had her baptize..i am still in shock. My daughter is neglecting us and wont allow nothing wrong to be said about that church she's attending....please if you have any words of wisdom I can sure use it now..I have been praying and I am hopeful that the good Lord will guide her I am just afraid for her well being......thank you

TAllen read my blog view my photos
May 15, 2008 | 1:53 PM

Sage ~ I was raised Roman Catholic, married a Southern Baptist, (who was raised by a Mormon and a Pentecostal) in a Methodist Church. I have studied, Buddhism, and Hinduism and I am still to this day an Atheist. I agree with you that religion and government should remain separate. What I don't agree with is that TRUE Atheists fear religion for any reason. You asked the question,
"How do you live a life with out believing that there is something afterwards?" I don't need to believe in something afterwards to live my life. From your first breath you are dying it is just the course of nature. When you take your last breath you complete the circle. I understand that there are no second chances so what I do with this life is all I get. That is why I think many who do believe in "god" "souls" and "the after life" believe see it as a "second chance" of some sort to repent and be forgiven for this life and a chance at another. Maybe it’s because it makes it easier for them now, I really don't know. All I can tell you is from my situation that I have no fear of death; I don't need redemption, forgiveness or a second chance. I live each day to the best of MY ability. I know when I am gone that I will continue because I have created memories that others will carry. In that way we are all immortal and that is all I need.

Sageman read my blog
May 15, 2008 | 1:58 PM

I think what your daughter is experiencing is a sense of euphoria from finding a religion and because of that she has been swept up in it. I would try and be objective about your daughter and see where she is coming from. Maybe she feels defensive because she knows you don't approve of her new found religion.

Here is what I would do in your position. I would go with her to her new church and see exactly what they are preaching. You'll have a chance to meet the other parishioners there and get a sense of where they are coming from.

As for the pentecostal church, I think it's gotten a bad rap from the many articles about their wild behavior, snake handling etc... My mother and sister both go to pentecostal churches and I have gone with them on occasion. I can tell you that there was no rolling in the aisles or snake handling of any kind. They did speak in tongues which can be a bit disconcerting at first but overall it was a pretty typical Christian sermon.

One of my good friends is a pastor of a Pentecostal Church in Seattle and he is for lack of a better word, "hard core." They consider themselves Judaic Christians and they follow the laws of the New Testament, the Old Testament and the Talmud. I know a lot of people don't get him or his church saying that they go overboard but seriously, they are good people and they are just living their lives as they deem they should. Their religion isn't for everyone but it makes them happy and they are not hurting anyone with it. They are not fanatics they are just devoted.

Hopefully you and your daughter come to some type

Sageman read my blog
May 15, 2008 | 2:01 PM

Hopefully you and your daughter come to some type of understanding. Over all I think she will come around and be a little less defensive once she becomes more comfortable with herself and her new religion. If people cant except criticism of their religion it's often because they are insecure about their own faith in it.

Jesus accepted questions openly and answered them from the heart. Maybe you should ask her about her new religion with an open mind and put aside your past opinions till you know more about it.

Just a suggestion, either way I wish you the best.

Sageman read my blog
May 15, 2008 | 2:15 PM

TAllen - I didn't mean to insult you or your beliefs. I for one feel that every person has a right to believe in what they do.

I do agree that those who follow their faith out of fear do it for the wrong reason. I know in part what you are talking about. The whole, "fire and brimstone" approach to religion. I don't agree with it but sadly the same type of approach can be found in every religion not just Christianity.

I think another point is that even though I don't understand why people choose to be Atheists they are free to make that choice.

I've read your post's and though I don't agree with you all the time, you are an intelligent man, so I don't see any reason to try and convince you of anything. You believe what you believe, you know the options and you simply aren't able to find faith in them. In short it is your life to live as you see fit. I have no right to tell you whether it's right or wrong. I think everyone at points has the faith shaken but in the end it's all about the heart, when you try to over think things it's because you don't feel it in your heart. Like I said faith is not about logic. I mean seriously what's so logical about love? Faith is a lot like that, you don't know why can feel that way about some people and not others but you do. Same with faith you can feel one way about one religion but you don't feel the same about another.

I'm glad to get your side of this though.

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
May 15, 2008 | 2:24 PM

THANKS..Sage..I must tell you, however, I did have a meeting with the Pastors..some how..I am a very people person and I have to tell you, my intuitions were not good. They appeared to be the type of preachers that would go after the weak, meek and young to feed on them. The pastor was wearing so much jewelry I THOUGHT I WAS GOING BLIND...the wife appeared humbled but truly annoyed me when she indicated that perhaps me and my daughter needed counselling WHICH I told my kid if she felt that way, she knows I am very open and we would have set something up immediately...at which point the wife (another pastor) said well I am a doctor of psychiatry blah blah and I couldn't help feeling excuse my language I was going to get BULLSHEITED by these people. I then found out that her boyfriend's dad is also preaching but correct me if I am wrong to be a preacher DOESN'T THAT REQUIRE years of dedication to a church aside from studying??? then there's the fact that they (the pastor's wife) did my kid tax return to which she refuses to show me...there's just to many clouds in this and thus, is where my worries come from. As you surely know, there are many false prophets and I can't help but to feel she has fallen into the wolves mouth.

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
May 15, 2008 | 2:27 PM

the only thing I have left to do is visit the church itself and I am gearing myself for it because I know me and I know I wouldn't be able to contained myself if I do go and don't like what I see and I don't want her to start hating me for showing up and making a scene if you will......I am deeply appreciative for your remarks .. they do share some light but I am afraid I am in for a long haul..please pray that she will find herself..as I do believe that PRAYERS ARE POWERFUL...one more thing, it worries me cause if she's practicing this religion she should be the most loving daughter and know to respect me and her father SHE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN A GREAT DAUGHTER...I have to tell you her behaviour have changed immensely and she acts as though we are non existant...that is what worries me...thanks again

Gorilla read my blog
May 15, 2008 | 6:12 PM

Nice blog sage...

YBSRobin read my blog
May 15, 2008 | 8:02 PM

Sageman, I just wanted to share my thoughts with you on your post, it's an excellent one! I agree with everything you have stated. We have been gifted with the opportunity to make our own choices and I do believe we make our own destiny. And with 2nd chances, I think one needs to experience that before they can say one way or another. I have experienced the opportunities of having a 2nd chance in life and there is more to life than just our mere comprehension of what we see and know, we need to have an open mind. I appreciate, and love life even more for it. It's nice to see that I am not alone in how I feel as well. If you haven't read my Blog in reference to the Fox News Reporter, Keith, "Taking God with you every where you go," take a moment to check it out, I believe it goes well with your post that you have shared with us.

TAllen read my blog view my photos
May 15, 2008 | 10:02 PM

Sage ~ no insult taken :0) I will fight for someone’s right to believe in whatever they choose just as hard as I will fight for my right not to believe. I have studied many different religions and they all do have a common thread for most it is a "blind faith" in something bigger than themselves. For those that need this "faith" in their lives it is wonderful that they have so many options but for those like me that don't have that need it often equates in the minds of "Christians" that we are somehow lacking, or evil and that is what I object to. In this country proclaiming to be a "Christian" or living a "Christian lifestyle" is a convenient excuse far to often, and is tossed around much like the saying "god bless you" by individuals that think it is the cover all for everything. It some how absolves them from being nasty, rude, mean, hateful, selfish…etc. In this respect, I think "Christians" have shot themselves in the foot. I personally don't think you need to believe in "god" to be a "Christian". For me it is more about the acts you do and not what you say. I can't say I have any respect for someone who can hand of obscenities in one breath and say "god bless you" in the next any more than I can have respect for someone who lies and then claims they are Christian. Religion is a very intensely personal thing and it should be, not something, you use when it suits your needs or when you are trying to impress others. For me I would rather stand tall and declare I am Atheist, taking full responsibility for my life and my actions than to stand up and say I am a believer onl

Sageman read my blog
May 15, 2008 | 11:37 PM

I don't think "blind faith" is a good thing either. I think if you really don't know why you have faith then you truly don't know what you believe in. The whole fact of the matter is that blindly following any religion is as bad as not following one at all. Like I said faith is about choices and if someone doesn't know why they make their choices and they don't evaluate the choices they make, then they are lying to themselves.

As for those that say one thing and do another, they are hypocrites but they also are human. Everyone makes mistakes, the great thing is that you have the chance to learn from them. I think everyone has been a hypocrite at one point or another.

The definition of Christian is someone who follows the tenets of Jesus Christ and try to emulate his own life and teachings. One of things Jesus taught was forgiveness and compassion. As for that, no one is perfect we all make mistakes. Also I can't imagine Jesus defining someone who doesn't have faith in his teachings to be evil. I think he might feel sorry for them (just being honest) but I can't see him declaring them to be evil.

I think a lot of people forget that Jesus wanted them to believe in him, but it wasn't him physically it was his teachings he wanted them to believe in. He was a teacher and he tried to teach people the lessons that would help them lead a good life. Lessons that would take them down the path that would lead them to heaven. To think that just believing that he was the savior is enough to get you into heaven is naive. I mean seriously there are no free rides, why would god

Sageman read my blog
May 15, 2008 | 11:39 PM

(Cont from previous post)

I mean seriously there are no free rides, why would god give a free pass to people? He expects each and everyone of us to be the best person we can be. He also realizes some of us will make mistakes, and as such we have that forgiveness from our sins by believing in what Jesus sacrificed his life for. I think people simplify what Jesus died for, it wasn't just forgiving us for our sins but it was also a statement to each and every person that he was willing to stand by his teachings and the life he lived. If you think that just believing in Jesus is a free pass to heaven than you misread the bible in my opinion. Why would Jesus go through all he did and live the life he lived if all he wanted was you to believe he was the Savior? I think it was because he was giving us the tools to live a good life. He also was compassionate enough to realize that people make mistakes and people can be hypocrites, and he only asked us to do our best. No one is perfect but again willfully abusing that compassion is a slap in the face to the teachings Jesus gave us. But again thats just my opinion.

I guess it's true never talk about politics or religion.

Sageman read my blog
May 15, 2008 | 11:41 PM

Robin I read your posts. Good stuff.

didaskalos read my blog
May 16, 2008 | 12:07 AM

Sageman - you said, "I never for once thought that my own religion was the only right religion." I was wondering ... "why not?" There is a difference between arrogance and evidence. To belive something against the evidence can be arrogant, but to believe something because of the evidence is not arrogance. It you don't think something is right, why would you believe it?

didaskalos read my blog
May 16, 2008 | 12:30 AM

Your observation about morality in all religions is called "conscience." It is a good starting point but imperfect and can be seared to the point of being worthless if it is continually ignored.

About hell, if the person's holy book talks about it that isn't arrogant. We do, however, need to evaluate the credibilty of those holy books whatever they may say (hell or no hell). The Qu'ran teaches that as a non-Muslim, I am an infidel who is going to hell. I take no offense at that. If I believed that I would accept that religion ... but I don't.

Sageman read my blog
May 16, 2008 | 12:33 AM

Didaskalos you're twisting the words. I never for once thought my religion was the only right one because it's not my decision to make. As for evidence, it's often circumstantial. I believe in my religion whole heartedly but again I am not so arrogant as to believe that there is only one right religion, that is my point. Who's to say that god reveals himself to others in the same way as he does them? To assume that your religion is the only right one is arrogance in my opinion.

Sageman read my blog
May 16, 2008 | 2:40 AM

The Qu'ran teaches that those who hear the word and turn away from it go to hell. An infidel is someone who knows the word but rejects it. It's someone who has no religious belief at all.

As for conscience, it's true but sometimes simplistic. As for being imperfect, that I can not agree with. How can having a conscience be imperfect? That baffles me, it's the knowledge of right and wrong. The choices we make have nothing to do with our conscience they have everything to do with ethics and morality which are components of a conscience. The simple knowledge of right and wrong in itself is anything but imperfect. It's intrinsic in almost every religion in the world.

As for arrogance,man does not have the right to make any speculation or declaration on who or who is not going to hell. When man takes that step he is arrogant and he is in my opinion claiming to know what only God knows with certainty.

Faith is beautiful thing but arrogance is an ugly one. To put ones religion on a pedestal and place ones self above all others goes against the face of almost every major religion in the world, including Christianity, both Protestant and Catholic.

YBSRobin read my blog
May 16, 2008 | 9:03 AM

Thank you Sageman. Didaskalos, also states good comments, but I do want to apologize to Didaskalos, because at times when I thought he was twisting words, he really wasn't but just stating something that I did not quite understand the first time around. But in reading both of your Faith comments, they are both excellent. However, Sageman, yours is straight to the point, very understandable, and is real. Everyone does have different opinions in Faith and/or man made religion. But it's so simple, if we follow the Teachings of Jesus, we can't help but to live the right kind of life we are supposed to and everything else will fall into place. And I agree whole heartedly with your last statement. Excellent comments!

YBSRobin read my blog
May 16, 2008 | 9:31 AM

http://community.myfoxorlando.com/blogs/TAllen/2008/05/
15/DEATH_AND_DYING

Sageman you made a response to the Blogger above you, and I believe in what you're saying:

(quote):
I don't think "blind faith" is a good thing either. I think if you really don't know why you have faith then you truly don't know what you believe in. The whole fact of the matter is that blindly following any religion is as bad as not following one at all. Like I said faith is about choices and if someone doesn't know why they make their choices and they don't evaluate the choices they make, then they are lying to themselves
(end quote):

The reason I brought this up is so you can read TAllen's beautiful Blog. For TAllen to share such a beautiful experience with us, does show she may be struggling a little with just simply "believing." Faith works in mysterious ways and sometimes it takes us a while to know what to do with it when we experience it on a daily basis. What a beautiful experience. It gives those who do believe the knowlege that we when do come across the path of letting go, we won't have to cross that line alone.

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
May 16, 2008 | 10:14 AM

Wow......Tallen and you speak about lying...you truly described yourself very well indeed...now lets see who else you put in your pathetic lying blogs.........you are truly a sick woman...get some help. I pray that the Good Lord will have mercy upon you in the upcoming days of wrath.

TAllen read my blog view my photos
May 16, 2008 | 1:12 PM

Robin ~ For TAllen to share such a beautiful experience with us, does show she may be struggling a little with just simply "believing." Faith works in mysterious ways and sometimes it takes us a while to know what to do with it when we experience it on a daily basis.

First thank you for not trashing this. Second, I do not struggle with "believing" nor do I have "faith" in a greater power because of it. For those individuals that have both I am sure the meaning of these events are vastly different than the meaning they have for me and that is why I shared it. As I responded to Croma in that blog, I have never feared death even when I was a child, but I did fear letting go of those I loved. These events opened my eyes and let me come to terms with that fear. Seeing first hand the peace and confidence my Dad had in his final hours told me that I could let him go because he was going to be happy. My fear was that in dying my loved ones would not be at peace, or would have regrets about the lives they lead. I could not imagine anything worse than to spend your final moments wishing you had lived differently. Watching Daddy, I learned that I don't have to fear that for him because HIS faith and belief brought him the comfort I could not. That alone made it okay. I know that people who are religious and carry these notions with them really can't understand someone like me who doesn't and they may question why then I would share this, but for me it never was about religion, faith or belief, it was and always will be about saying good bye and learning to let go with no tears or f

TAllen read my blog view my photos
May 16, 2008 | 1:13 PM

Candy~ "Wow......Tallen and you speak about lying...you truly described yourself very well indeed...now lets see who else you put in your pathetic lying blogs.........you are truly a sick woman...get some help. I pray that the Good Lord will have mercy upon you in the upcoming days of wrath."

Care to explaine this comment?

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
May 16, 2008 | 1:16 PM

not.....Tallen you may go and whine again to Fox......uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.......scared.....

I will not taint Sage's blog for you dear...God knows what to do and he will...

see ya..........don't want to be ya

Sage..sorry......have a wonderful and blessed weekend.

TAllen read my blog view my photos
May 16, 2008 | 1:17 PM

grrrr...it cut off the last part...

CONTINUED:

learning to let go with no tears or fears. Does that makes sense?

TAllen read my blog view my photos
May 16, 2008 | 1:20 PM

Candy ~ explain it in a new blog then or in the blog I posted...I am really would like an explaination.

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
May 16, 2008 | 1:47 PM

yep......bet you would. Go talk to a Priest...

again, I am not taiting Sage's blog with your venum lady....you really need to get a life. Take care.

YBSRobin read my blog
May 16, 2008 | 6:26 PM

TAllen, I believe I know where Candy was going and no we have not concocted any type of stories together either, this is coming straight from me. Please, before you get angry, as this is not intended to make you as such, maybe just think for a moment about what I am going to write and really think about it before you answer. You know as well as I do, the most two complicated subjects to talk about is Religion and Politics. And how can one really explain without really offending someone when two people are set in their way of thinking? Your post, "Death and Dying" has shown us a different side of you, and it's beautiful. I did want to point out that you had stated "I do not struggle with "believing" nor do I have "faith" in a greater power because of it." My comment was "does show she may be struggling a little with just simply "believing." I just wanted to point out that I did not state believing in a "greater power" only "just simply "believing." I can understand that what you're saying with your passing on, you don't want your family to have any regrets, or not be at peace, but sometimes, simply as a mother, we have to have faith that we taught our family the right values in life to make it through. Whether they have regrets or not, cannot be left up to us. Just like you stated, everyone is different.

Sage made an excellent point with: (quote: As for conscience, it's true but sometimes simplistic. As for being imperfect, that I can not agree with. How can having a conscience be imperfect? That baffles me, it's the knowledge of right and wrong. The choices w

YBSRobin read my blog
May 16, 2008 | 6:27 PM

cont'd
we make have nothing to do with our conscience they have everything to do with ethics and morality which are components of a conscience. The simple knowledge of right and wrong in itself is anything but imperfect. It's intrinsic in almost every religion in the world.

As for arrogance,man does not have the right to make any speculation or declaration on who or who is not going to hell. When man takes that step he is arrogant and he is in my opinion claiming to know what only God knows with certainty.

Faith is beautiful thing but arrogance is an ugly one. To put ones religion on a pedestal and place ones self above all others goes against the face of almost every major religion in the world, including Christianity, both Protestant and Catholic. (end quote)

You had stated that you had various background education in various types of Religion, and you chose to be an atheist. No one is discrediting your choices in life. Sage has made an excellent point in saying that (quote: Like I said faith is about choices and if someone doesn't know why they make their choices and they don't evaluate the choices they make, then they are lying to themselves. end quote)

The word "Faith" is such a broad word and has many universal meanings. In my interpretation of your Blog, I saw Faith all throughout while reading it. Faith is not a bad thing, I suppose it's what one makes of it. You received Blessings that many would be grateful for. To explain a little better, you were Blessed to have had the time to spend with your Grandfather, to help make his last days mean some

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Sageman

I have been an actor, writer, and journalist, among other things. Currently I am getting ready to go back to school. I think that news, as clichè as it sounds, is one day away from being history. I enjoy reading, writing, running, biking and swimming. Ironically I hate the Triathlon. Yet I believe exercise is the key to a happy life! Politically I'm a Moderate Democrat and I listen to anyone's views, the only thing that really irks me is people who insult others for having different views. Which often makes me insult them in turn. I guess that makes me a Hypocrite... At least I won't be lonely.

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