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by Riley34470 from Florida

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I've taken statistics in College, and I know that they can be "Skewed" or "Cooked" to reflect any Stat that is desired, depending on who is performing the task.

Does anyone think that the new "higher" unemployment rates could be the result of the recent graduates, both from College and High School entering the Job Market?

With that in mind, are the "higher" unemployment rates something to worry about or is it a trend that will historically pass?

I've heard that this trend is the same this time of the year, every year.

Is this a democratic scare tactic?

Comment me plz :-)

 

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sensiblejoe read my blog
Jul 4, 2008 | 10:56 PM

It's a pity your college education didn't teach you proper English spelling, grammar and capitalization. There's nothing "cooked" or "skewed" about the recent unemployment statistics -- they were released by a government that has every reason to hide such a rise from the general public, as it has hidden so many other things from us over the past eight years.

J_Darrowin read my blog view my photos
Jul 5, 2008 | 9:20 AM

Joe, you really need to quit it. What is it with you and your obsession with grammar? I also can't help but notice you only do this to people whose viewpoints you disagree with.

Riley, I've heard this viewpoint myself from a radio talkshow host. I'm inclined to agree with it. It wouldn't be the first time that a study like this came out with a few "inconvenient little facts" left out.

Take for example, gun death statistics, especially the ones that came out after the ruling on the 2nd Ammendment. One example is a statement from the New York Times, citing that "Thirty-thousand Americans are killed by guns every year".

Sounds terrible, doesn't it? What they don't mention is that almost half of these deaths are suicides, and that they don't take into account how many of those deaths were the result of a criminal being shot to death by a victim in self defense (statement taken from an email I received from the office of Douglas C. Mills. I took part in an online petition).

You can never take statistics (or polls, for that matter) at their word. Always look into it yourself.

J_Darrowin read my blog view my photos
Jul 5, 2008 | 9:23 AM

Oh, forgot to mention. As far as the high unemployment rates, and whether or not it will pass? We've been through this before, and we got through it. We'll get past this as well. I imagine the statistics will get better once those grads find work. ;)

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jul 5, 2008 | 9:35 AM

You do have a point it is a “trend” but it is not “news” in a non election year...and it is also not news in a year whit a Democrat looking for reelection ! But that does not mean that it did not happen that year as well...
JD is right about Joe only using his powers of “grammar” against any post he disagrees with , it can be determined that he has no ability to make any real argument against most postings so is willing to promote BAD ideas with good grammar!

shadows read my blog
Jul 5, 2008 | 12:03 PM

Riley34470, in addition to statistics (math) you might want to take a course in Research Design and/or quasi-experimental research. The validity and reliability issue is much more dependent on research design than it is on the statistical formulas.

Your blog does not contain enough information relative to the "design" of the research to make any definitive statement about the statistical methods employed. It's kinda like using the word "correlation." A correlation between two "things" is easy to determine by using a statistical formula. However whether or not the correlation is meaningful is a design issue.

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jul 5, 2008 | 12:54 PM

tell me this Blue Boy why is a 2% increase in the GDP in 1998 “The Greatest economic expansion in history” but in 2007 it is a “recession” LOL@liberal idiocy !

OK now I understand IF something does not support a liberal idea/agenda we MUST take 4 years of collage to be able to support it but IF it antagonizes Bush/Republicans/Conservatives or promotes Liberals/Democrats etc. it must be accepted at face value as presented including whatever “conclusion” is attached to it by the media.

khazzi read my blog
Jul 5, 2008 | 2:47 PM

You are forgetting a few variable smart guy ...does the rate of people dying, retiring, becoming disable, getting deployed to military service, or jobs lost to third world imported workers, factor into your brilliant equation. If it doesn’t, stop coming out here with this nonsense. I’ve taken college statistic as well, and you can’t just weigh one or two variables to assess a trend.

A) No! This trend is due to major lay offs, and slow hiring of American workers.
B) No! This trend will not adjust without significant changes in policy- just look at General Motors situation.

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jul 5, 2008 | 3:03 PM

O I see NON of those other factors you listed existed EVER before now right ? ...dude I think you can ask for your money back on the school thing because you got shafted!

shadows read my blog
Jul 5, 2008 | 6:59 PM

RNC08, what was it that got you so riled up again? Was it his comment about the unemployment rate or the fact that he mentioned attending college?

Don't good Republican's value higher education? Perhaps they fear it because of all of those liberal-left-wing professors. There doesn't seem to be too many conservative-right-wing professors. Why is that? Aren't there enough highly educated Republicans, or is it perhaps that they aren't interested in furthering education in our country?

BTW, I'm assuming that your statement about .. taking four years of "COLLAGE" in order to support a liberal idea/agenda was in reference to four years of COLLEGE and was not indicating that 4 years of studying the art form of "COLLAGE" was necessary. However, it is common knowledge that most artistic types are Democrats.....why is that?

RNC08, thanks for making my day....the humor that you add to my life is much appreciated....and I hope that you accept my compliment with a light heart. Stress is not good for the soul.

Sageman read my blog
Jul 5, 2008 | 7:11 PM

I think over all this is a reflection of the economy as a whole. Job's are being cut at an alarming rate but that will most definitely continue until consumer confidence increases. No one buying anything means that job cuts are inevitable.

I don't think overall that it has anything to do with an increase in college or high school students because the only record increases in that area, I've heard about, is that more women are graduating college than men.

As for Sensible Joe, a lot of intelligent people have no sense of grammar because essentially it has nothing to do with IQ. As for grammar's importance, one of my professors told me, "If you can understand what's being said you've made your point and thats enough to be said."

shadows read my blog
Jul 5, 2008 | 7:43 PM

Sageman, did your professor say it aloud or did he put it in writing? LOL

Sageman read my blog
Jul 6, 2008 | 1:54 PM

He said it out loud after I raped some students paper for grammar. Other than the grammatical errors the paper was great. I thought she deserved a "B" he gave her an "A" because he felt content was more important than punctuation.

khazzi read my blog
Jul 6, 2008 | 11:10 PM

Sageman...You're not connecting the dots. What you said is true, but you're not linking your statement to the current causation of our economic peril. I'll answer that, "GWB."

DEOP read my blog view my photos
Jul 7, 2008 | 8:23 AM

Riley,
Clearly the higher unemployment rates are a sign of the economy, not due to grads. May '08 to June'08 remained the same, so I assume you are talking about the increase since April '08

www.bls.gov has a table of monthly unemployment going back to 1948. The table shows:
April to June changes 1948 to 2008
Increased = 25 times
Decreased = 28 times
Same = 8 times

June was the years' highest unemployment rate month only 2 times since 1948, & was tied for the highest monthly number only 2 other times. So June was not the highest (tied or alone) in 56 of the prior 60 years.

The jump this year was 0.5% from April to June. Only 2 years since 1948 had bigger increases from April to June, 1949 & 1980.

Abunai read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 2:36 AM

Yet we neglect to add that since 1948 we FINALLY put a cap on unemployment compensation, and wealfare that has only been in effect since Bush's administration.

We also need to know if the latest jump INCLUDES illegals, and their invalid SSNs.

Now here is the part RNC08 hinted on. Democrats in office during election season will prop up numbers with the media in their pocket to get the message out. However a Republican in office with the same or simular numbers gets the same treatment, but as a negative....

THAT my friends they don't teach in college, and requires a person to have critial thinking skills.

Again.. for an economy that is so bad.. Tickets at every entertainment event from concerts to racetracks is still selling out or close... I still see a full parking lot at Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, Target, Kmart, etc.
I still see people buying prepackaged food, instead of staples and making their own. We still buy water at 16 bucks a gallon and coffee at almost 60 bucks.

Eihter way.. every extra dime I have right now is about to go into the house! I will not let Obama have it by taxing my portfolio, and will put it into my home!

DEOP read my blog view my photos
Jul 8, 2008 | 8:19 AM

Abunai - unlike RNC08, you seem to be able to back up claims that you make.
Could you please supply a link to this change in unemployment comp.

The statistics I supplied were in direct response to the questions Riley asked, which had nothing to do with any law changes. So I didn't neglect the add in you are bringing into this thread, it isn't material to the questions he asked regarding "this time of the year".

As far as who is included - that would only make a difference if illegals were not included in previous percentages.

And regarding your entertainment events & stores- the same thing can be said about the Carter years, so if that's your criteria to measure the economy, then the economy those years must have not been so bad either.

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