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Solar power is the cleanest most environmentally “safe” power generating technology available today..Right ?

Not so fast , forget about PV (photo voltaic) power generation it has been proven to be a wasteful dead end (never can repay the cost of development and produces large amounts of pollution to build in the first place) so we are now “focusing” our attention and hundreds of billions of tax dollars on thermo solar power generation...this MUST be based on the successes (or failure!) of our pilot project Solar One in California (the name changed to Solar Two and then to Solar Tres before it was shut down) . That facility is now shut down having failed to ever meet any of its stated goals and is now a TOXIC waste land where nothing will ever grow again!... But you say how can that be ? Solar power is clean right ? Wrong ! Thermo Solar power plants are filled with altered synthetic petroleum oil and as we have learned in our “pilot project” they leak!! LOL Solar one is now on the National Super fund clean up list..

Now lets talk about the impact on the environment that a large solar power plant has. You already know that nothing will grow under a solar plant and soil erosion is a constant problem on site , but did you know that a solar power plant is devastating to bird populations ? A three years study at the Solar One facility found that bird mortality rates on site are .6 to .7% per week of the total local bird population ! That adds up to mother nature taking a hit of 1/3rd of the total population per year !

Just something to think about when you are asked to pay and additional 25 cents a gallon next year for gas to pay for a privately owned solar power plant that will 1 destroy 40 more acres of farm land 2 produce (at most) .0001% of our electric power needs and 3 forever change (kill) the ecosystem where it is built ! Way to go tree huggers.

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RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 1:13 PM

For the record the impact of all other forms of power including oil drilling have a smaller impact on the environment than a large scale solar power plant. RE : it is possible to actually farm on land used for wind power and oil drilling ! And ethanol requires more farming ! ...actually being green is not as easy as Voting liberal and buying a teeshirt !

BornToBeWild read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 5:59 PM

There are a number of different sorces for powered energy but it pushed aside. Of course people could go more independant in suppling the own energy set up! It would save you some bucks but also place other power companies hurting in business, more people out of a job. Unemployment is growing. Land fields could also help to process some good out of everyones trash. There are better ways for lots of things but it would seem that scientists and technology is put elsewhere!

J_Darrowin read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 6:54 PM

Personally, I've always subscribed to the belief that while solar power may one day become a viable source of alternative power, it will likely be most successful on a smaller scale. In other words, when homeowners have a small solar power generator on their properties, not a huge solar power plant trying to power hundreds, if not thousands of buildings.

Sounds to me like some people are getting way too ahead of themselves in trying to set up a huge power plant like that. Start small, work your way up. I would apply that to wind powered generators as well.

And yes, I still believe we need to continue to use our oil and other natural resources that we have available *while* we're working on the new technology.

DeborahLakeHelen read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 7:32 PM

If push comes to shove, there are those who could survive on solar power, for basic electricity. You can easily rig your hot water heater to solar panels, and generate enough power to fill a 120 gallon tank with hot water in a single day. People are doing that much now. The set up cost is what is prohibitive to so many, because the recuperation of your investment takes time. I can't imagine what it would be like to live somewhere where "brown outs" and "black outs" were a normal, everyday thing! That would really bite the horse's rump!

Meb452m read my blog
Jun 18, 2008 | 10:40 PM

WMFE, PBS Channel 24, has had several intresting documentaries on the subject. Germany will have 20% of all domestic electric production by solar within 8 yrs, I believe they stated. The main arguement against solar is their effeciency against their cost of production,that will improve though. Being that panels are set on an angle, they don't block sunlight totally out at the ground level and groundcover can survive. German farmers routinely set space aside for systems and sell power back to the grid. They view it as another means of making money off of their land. Panels on homes, commercial buildings and highrises won't effect ground cover either. As far as the birds, their mortality rate is due to strikes against panels ? If so, that never stopped glass enclosed high-rises. Edison Power of New York offers incentives for mounting panels on rooftops, some of their commercial customers could sell power back during daylight opperation and only paid for electricity at night. Eventually it will be a good alternate, but only if the effeciency rating can be brought up considerably. Nuclear is the way to go now and one of the least greenhouse gas producers. Wind is all about location, you must have a prevailing wind. Of course none of this will happen as long as the Goverment tries tax away investment capital derived from the profit of energy producers.

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 11:19 PM

I looked up Germany (in that they are in a location that is only 20% efficient when it comes to solar power ) and unfortunately it is another “carbon credit” type scam ...they are buying solar power credits to offset the coal/oil power they are actually making and using ...hey any of you guys remember me asking where all the “wind generators” where in Florida after I learned that we are the largest supplier of wind power in America ? Well I found them ...they are located in a dozen norther states and where purchased by Florida power as part of their portfolio. Our “wind index” for Florida is 0% ... we can never build wind generators here..
As far as angeling the grids that is true but I have never seen a single blade of grass on any Solar power station in all the world so far ! Some one show me a 10K or better (your house uses way more than that each day) with a green patch under it and I will lighten up !
I would be a lot more open to the hundreds of billions that are being spent on solar power every year by our government if and when the faced facts that where discovered in the 60 ' s , the only place in America where solar power is plentiful is eight miles straight up ...only by putting solar harvester arrays in orbit will solar power ever be practical , but for this to happen we must allow the designation of down link points ...that means a beam of microwave energy in the 3 to 4 terawatt range . Until me make that move nuclear power plants are our best option!

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 11:21 PM

...how can you stand to watch Public TV ? ...LOL

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 11:24 PM

And yes Deb you are making me feel lazy , I really need to put in the solar water heater I have been putting off for more than a year now...but I will say I do have a timer on my water heater so it only runs 3 hours a day and it is very very well insulated.

dks75 read my blog
Jun 19, 2008 | 9:25 AM

I'm not against the technology, but I think to needs to come along way for a system for the masses. Those printed photo voltaic cells are showing some promise in reducing the cost per watt.

RNC08 thats impressive.. Your list of unfinished projects is slowly getting larger than mine. Excellent Idea about the time on the water heater, another project I can start and never finish LOL. Seriously though it's a great idea, I don't think alot of people realize it all starts at home.

Just last week out of curiosity I started checking my appliances. Holy are my older cable boxes pigs. I unplugged one and am turning the other off now. Roughly 700 KW a year, considering we only use it for a few hours a day at the most.

dks75 read my blog
Jun 19, 2008 | 9:52 AM

Is that a hydrogen generator on that blue car?

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 10:07 AM

...yes that is the second HHO generator I have built for my car and it is working very well ! ...I will draw up instructions and post them if anyone asks, I designed and built the one in the pic for less than $60 including modification to my 02 sensor and a nice “PWM” on the generator...Another thing to consider is the TV itself if you are using a CRT switching to a flat screen will cut your power bill a bit (conventional CRT's use 900% more power than a smiler size flat screen)

dks75 read my blog
Jun 19, 2008 | 12:01 PM

Already replaced the small crt's with LCD :)..

I wouldn't mind seeing the plans from someone that has actually built a couple, saves alot of trial and error. I'm sure there would be a few others... Like this new blog in the traffic section
http://community.myfoxorlando.com/blogs/diamondtech05/2
008/06/18/Gas_Alternative

Ive seen this pop up a few times, although paying for the plans I dunno..
http://pureenergysystems.com post alot of this type of items, alot being open source or public domain etc.. Although I think their political views stink. The ideas and the sharing of information neat.

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 4:11 PM

It is a lot simpler than it looks ..I was going to buy one myself but decided after looking at pictures on the net to make it on my own with out any help ! All it is , is a two electrodes placed close together in a tank of water with a bit of backing soda as an electrolyte with an air tight cap with two holes in it one (the larger line 3/8 inch) attached to the main air intake usually just after the filter and a smaller line attached to a high vacuum line I usually put a T in the break booster line and run a ¼ inch line to this one ...I really should make up some pictures and a set of instructions so people don't have to get ripped off by the guys on the net selling this stuff.

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 4:11 PM

I will probably write a “post” with the instructions and steps ....

northton read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 6:02 PM

You're full of crap, Ronco.

Still, I am dying to know how to use hydrogen in my car. Did you have to modify the engine? Are you running it into a regular gas engine intake? Are you using distilled water? What are your leads made of? I had trouble with my leads in tap water.

northton read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 6:27 PM

Why would you think that solar panels destroy the plant life? The plants may be built where there is no grass but, if there was grass there, most likely RoundUp is the culprit, perhaps for ease of maintenance.

Then there's the oil issue. There is no excuse for leaking oil all over the ground. It is not necessary to leak oil. This would be a maintenance issue and easily remedied. I don't get the bird issue. Are they roosting on the focal plane? LOL Solar thermal is a great resource.

Where do you get 800 billion a year going to solar, and who is it going to? Certainly not to homeowners.

northton read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 6:32 PM

Biofuels and nuclear energy have drawbacks and they both pollute. Still, they are both great resources. Nothing is perfect, but you are exaggerating here to the point of absurdity! Why do you hate solar? Did your ice cream melt in the sun or something?

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 7:00 PM

You should know by now that I am always talking about the big commercial power plants (funny all the new ones are called SEGS for small electric generating facility) and my reason for always attacking it is simply because there are far to many myths about it actual potential and it does draw funds and attention away from all other alternative energy forms! Putting all our eggs in one basket as we have been doing for 30 years now is stupid AND it is a dead end solar power can never replace oil in its largest uses (solar is only competing with coal/nuclear/water/wind) we use oil for 1 transportation 2 food production 3 industry ...power generation does not account for 2% of our oil consumption.

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 7:09 PM

...$800 billion is the figure for what congress wants to invest in Solar power for 09 , up from the $750 billion that was spent in 06 and 07 . Where did it go ? Into the Arizona facility that now belongs to Spain! (if you have not figured it out I do get people to pay more attention to this subject than they would otherwise do) The bird deaths are mostly from collisions , the reflective surfaces mess them up good ! I just thought the fact that a study was performed at Solar One and was not more widely publicized was interesting...and yes you can get a job picking up dead birds at any one of the large power plants , the average body count is 2 per acer per day LOL

TavaresJim read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 7:09 PM

We could power Orlando from the methane gas emitted from RNC.

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 7:22 PM

On my HHO generator I first used an all stainless steel electrode that is 4-6 inch by 3/8 stanless bolts with 6 stainless washers (spaced with plastic washers) on each one I will send a pic this week, I used 4 electrodes 2 positive and 2 negative to balance the 12 volts I applied directly (so it would not boil) it did work but only on distilled water and it cost about $60 in steel alone! ....my second electrode is actually built from bronze welding wire it is hand wound on two pieces of ABS plastic cut to 4” by 8” to fit into a 10” long 4” schedule 40 of PVC pipe (I slit them and made a comb by sliding them into each other and drilling 15 holes in each of the 4 “blades” I need to take pics of this one) next I wound two separate coils threw the holes as close as possible together without touching this unit costs closer to $20 and does work on tap water but to get it really revved up and not have it over heat you have got to use an adjustable PWM (pulse width modulator , also know as a DC speed controller ) and I find that distiled water still works better ....do you have a PWM ? And what year car are you mounting to ?

Meb452m read my blog
Jun 19, 2008 | 7:28 PM

RNC, there is some great programming on like : Secrets of the Dead, Nature, Nova, Austin City Limits and some excellent history documentaries , to name a few. I paid $29.00 for the power TV antenna once, 12 yrs ago, and it is still working. Cheaply suiting my needs I might add ! LOL . There's a lot of good programming on PBS, the crap I just don't watch.

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 7:30 PM

My “test car” is a 1993 with fuel injection (so I don't have to use a spark arrestor) so all I really had to do is modify the reading on my 02 sensor for this I used the simplest method possible , I bought a pair of spark plug anti fouler (those things you use when a car is burning oil to keep the electrode clean) and I punched a 5/8 hole all the way threw it and placed it between the sensor and the exhaust manifold...I am working on my other car now so I am building a “mode box” for the MAP sensor and an active voltage dump for the 02 sensor....more “results” soon ! .

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 7:33 PM

if you want to pick on my you will have to stand in line behind Yellow dog and Northton ...they where here first , Jim

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 9:02 PM

...I get you Meb but the crap is real real bad ! LOL I forget how spoiled I have become lately if I don't have at least 100 channels I just wait till I get home and watch some of my Tivo ..So you don't have a DTV or a box yet ? Boy are you in for a treat PBS has a bunch of other channels to chose from off the air in DTV ...and be sure to look for the Brevard college channels as well they have a lot of neat stuff !

Meb452m read my blog
Jun 19, 2008 | 9:20 PM

I get channel 24, channel 15 is just a bit too far up the east coast. For the amount of time I spend in front of the tube I just won't spend any more money. I rely on papers and talk radio for more news as well. Both are a good dollar value.

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 10:21 PM

I am a bit of a glutton for news/information ...I watch Foxnews (the national one ) and surf the net at the same time all hours of the night and day ...you are going to have to get a digital TV before next year or you will get the “black screen”

FloridaBrit read my blog view my photos
Jun 20, 2008 | 8:30 AM

Ive always thought it would be wise to mandate all new homes should have at least 50 percent solar roof.

northton read my blog view my photos
Jun 20, 2008 | 6:52 PM

Home Depot and Lowes should start selling solar water heater systems and parts! It's ridiculous that when I want parts or repair kits for people I still have to go to a solar company!

For new homes, a solar panel with integrated tank and an inline gas or electric inline water heater are a super winning combination of simplicity, reliability, and economy!

This system has no moving parts, lowers your bills, and you get hot water day or night.

RNC08 read my blog view my photos
Jun 20, 2008 | 8:20 PM

Now that is not a bad idea , I would even support a mandatory compliance code (a law) to integrate solar water heating in all new homes . As far as the parts you use you can't get them at one of the Orlando commercial supply houses ? I often have to go to the irrigation supply company in Oviedo for schedule 80 parts. As far as Home depot/Lowes I know what you mean the stuff they have often does not make sense , they will have almost everything I need but there is always something they don't stock .

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