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Once again,, the decision to go into Iraq after Saddam is being Presented as a "BUSH ONLY" proposition..

HERE is a SMALL list of quotes by MANY WHO SUPPORTED/CALLED for that effort before Bush’s presidency,, AFTER Bush BECAME President and yes,, MANY,,,, EVEN after 9/11…

MANY of those listed ,, you will note,, are CURREBTLY critical of the SAME action that THEY called for UNDER the Clinton Administration..

 PRIOR to the Bush Administration

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
President Clinton, Jan. 27, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeleine Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeleine Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

AFTER Bush came into office..

"This December will mark three years ( almost THREE years into the former Clinton Administration ) since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored away secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I'm a co-sponsor of the bipartisan

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct. 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

 

I'm just a FIRM believer in the adage;

 "the WHOLE truth and NOTHING but the Truth..."

resolution that's presently under consideration in the Senate. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies..."
John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002
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Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 4:53 PM

For SOME reason the site messed up my post..EDWARD'S comment that appears at the bottom SHOULD be located as part of THIS comment..

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I'm a co-sponsor of the bipartisan ""

NOT that I think that anyone will actually READ all of this..MY point is that ALL this
" It's ALL Bush's fault" BS simply needs to be answered with the Truth..

I THINK that I have successfully made my point.....

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 5:04 PM

You will ALSO note a TOTAL absence of ANY mention by ANYBODY of OBL in ANY of the comments..EVEN AFTER 9/11...

DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 6:23 PM

Well, this must be wrong. Bush started the war all by himself.
If you don't believe me, ask any liberal. They will tell you. LOL!

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 7:07 PM

Three points to make here..

1.) THIS thread was in response to the CONTENT of the other thread..If it had been ANYBODY else making those claims ,,THIS post would have appeared EXACTLY as it appears before you NOW.. ZERO Changes..

2.) I would ALSO point out that the OTHER thread is EVERY bit the “Response Thread” to Amyk’s Post that MINE is to HIS…

and LASTLY;

3.) There is NOWHERE in this post that refers to or alludes to,, in ANY way,, the Individual who AUTHORED the other one.. Something that CANNOT be said of the other guy…EVER..

MY objection and MY response is to the LIE…

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 8:13 PM

It's a TOUGH life when you TRY to define the parameters of a debate according to your OWN whimsy and NOBODY plays along..

Of COURSE if the debate is restricted to what ONE side chooses to permit and ALL else is forbidden it ONLY stands to reason that that SAME side will win the day,, EVERY day...
THAT is NOT a debate...

The contention that Bush was NOT alone is countered with the rediculous argument that THAT doesn't matter because HE had the LAST word..

ANOTHER LIE..

CONGRESS VOTED FOR THE WAR,,Including Bush's most vehement antagonists..

They WANT to CLAIM that THEY didn't KNOW what they were voting for..I say that ANYONE voting for a WAR without knowing what they were voting for should be TRIED and CONVICTED for STUPIDITY and sentenced to LIFE in Prison without benefit of Parole....

Twizlled read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 8:43 PM

And I think you made your point very well sir.

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 8:54 PM

Thank you Twizlled..

BTW..Is there a story behind your screen name??

It SOUNDS like a Title to a song or maybe even a child's Book...LMAO..

ALL I know is that it sounds good when one says it..LMAO..I think it's great...

"What do YOU think of THIS??"

"I don't know,, it's got me ALL twizlled.."

LMAO..

TavaresJim read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 10:02 PM

We are there & Saddam is dead. Is it worth the life of my wifes cousin or any of the other Americans lives? Hell no!!! Tell us Hawkeye, if this is such a just cause would you give your life in Iraq if called to do so?

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 10:21 PM

The quotes resulted from the cherry picked, tunnel visioned intel planted, grown and groomed in the garden of Dick (waterboard) Cheney.

That fact has been confirmed by numerous first hand parties.

Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11....sad for you to hear, but true nonetheless.

Repeating the same old lies don't make them true.

I agree Jim, to remove Saddam at the expense of one American life, in order to bring "democracy" to Iraq and relieve the suffering of the tortured Iraqi's, is one too many.

Twizlled read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 10:25 PM

there is a story behind the screen name
My pc was hacked into ...back in the day i had aol and i had to close all accounts...so i had to create a new nic.
I liked the song "Twisted" by Keith Sweat
But that nic was taken, i was getting frazzled thinking about who am i going to be????
So I combined frazzled and twisted, and became Twizlled LOL
Nothing to do with the candy Twizller although i get asked that all the time :)
But nice to know the nic tickles you , love to make someone smile....mission accomplished

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 10:34 PM

The WAR against Saddam lasted 21 DAYS..
It's OVER..It's BEEN over...

WE are Fighting TERRORISTS now with IRAQ as an ALLY..The SAME terrorists organization that attacked us on 9/11..I would FIGHT those Terrorists responsible for 9/11 ANYWHERE,, ANYTIME and ANYPLACE that I was required to DO so..

And I WOULDN'T wait to be called..

I did my service in time of War ONCE before and I would do so again..I DIDN'T wait THEN and I wouldn't wait NOW..

If I weren't a Blind and Broken Down old Horse YOU'D be getting THIS answer from IRAQ...

Tell me..HOW much were the 3000 innocent civilians killed on 9/11 worth..HOW much would your Wife's Cousin's Life be worth if it were HE/SHE in the Towers that day..Would it be be Worth MY going to Iraq and fighting to see that it NEVER happens again??

YOU bet your ASS it would....

Truthguys read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 10:35 PM

YOu know I was thinking that in WORLD War 2 according to the ANti Iraq war theroy, we shouldnt have attacked Hitler... Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor not the Germans.

Clinton was dangerous for the nation and Criminally neglect proior to 911 and Bush while sqandering much of his 8 years at least stoped the US from getting attacked.

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 10:38 PM

"The quotes resulted from the cherry picked, tunnel visioned intel planted, grown and groomed in the garden of Dick (waterboard) Cheney."

REALLY Yd..HOW Stupid ARE you??

HOW Stupid do YOU think People are???

How is it that the SAME intel that CLINTON had becomes "Cherry Picked" under Bush..

LOOK at the first quotes made BEFORE Bush EVEN came into Office and THEN take your Bushwhacking BS to the OTHER site where you have an ALLY in LIES....

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 10:43 PM

I just happen to HAVE the Speech where YOU guys CLAIM that he said there wasthat connection..YOU LIE..he NEVER said that..

He MADE a reference to the Dangers America faced as DEMONSTRATED by 9/11..THAT'S the ONLY reference that HE made..It was NOT connected to his points about Saddam and Iraq..

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 10:49 PM

For those who wish to KNOW the TRUTH rather then become prey to the Bushwhackers' LIES simply GOOGLE the below information and READ the SPEECH for yourself.........

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
October 7, 2002

President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat

Twizlled read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 10:55 PM

I'm with ya hawk eye!!!
Thanks for shining the light on truth.

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 11:13 PM

Thanks Twizlled..I can't STAND it when somebody acts as though EVERYBODY is just plain Blind and Stupid..

To call ME a Liar with the evidence RIGHT there for ALL to see and THINK that JUST because HE can't stand the guy EVERYBODY else has to HATE him too or there's something WRONG with them just gets me boiling..LMAO....

I Liked that story about the name..Somehow,,it has a whimsical flavor to it and it SEEMS to FIT..LMAO..

I mean that in a GOOD way..LMAO..

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 11:27 PM

HITLER,,AFTER he declared WAR on the United States and with his Wolfpack patrolling off American Waters and dropping off saboteurs did NOT present the danger to America that these terrorists do..

And JUST so EVERYBODY knows where I'm coming from..I'm NOT saying that the information on the other site is false or inaccurate,, I'm saying that it's INCOMPLETE..That there is INFORMATION relevant to the subject that is being INTENTIONALLY left out to MANIPULATE opinion and as in the case of Yd,, denied completely....

What I'm presenting HERE is JUST what the title suggest quite clearly,,The REST of the Story.....

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 12:27 AM

I'm surprised a war hero and business tycoon doesn't know the history of WWII, TG ?

Hitler sealed his fate when he joined Japan in declaring war on US.

An Auburn grad would surely know these simple facts. Did you sleep through world history?

The involvement in the "war to hang Saddam" did 2 things :

1. It hung Saddam ( a success)

2. It diluted and caused us to fail in the total defeat of the REAL enemies of the 9-11 attack, the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. (a horrific failure)

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 18, 2008 | 12:44 AM

Really..Then by ALL estimates the total number of Terrorists Killed in Iraq OUTNUMBERING the Total in Afghanistan means NOTHING right???

YOU can SHOVE your "War to hang Saddam" BS..

THIS is a TOTALLY different War..The War against terrorists..it's JUST being fought in the SAME place.. I KNOW that you KNOW that and I KNOW that YOU think people are TOO STUPID to figure it out......

Your RIGHT about ONE thing though..
"Repeating the same old lies don't make them true." so WHY don't YOU just Shut the hell up...

NOBODY'S buying it anymore...

But you're WRONG about Hitler..HE sealed HIS fate when he broke his agreement with Russia and went to WAR with them...

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 8:39 AM

Hitler sealed his fate when he did not die as an infant. The guy was a brilliant psycho whose fate in life was to kill millions of innocents....some other people seem to have the same fate when it comes to the unnecessary killing of innocents.

Why so many terrorist in Iraq?

Our presence caused many to become terrorists...it is a widely accepted view that our "war to hang Saddam" was a boom in the recruitment of terrorists.

Early on, most "insurgents" were Iraqis who wanted to kick the "invaders" out of Iraq. If Chavez invaded the US, I suspect most of us would become "terrorists" in order to drive him bak to the jungle.

Al Qaeda is stronger in the world than ever before and their numbers are not finite. As long as we are seen as "invaders" their numbers will grow.

We created MORE terrorists and we are paying for it EVERY day with our blood and $$$. What have we gained? Nothing worth the blood of ONE American.

DeborahLakeHelen read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 9:12 AM

I have yet to understand why some people think the sole responsibility, decision making, button pushing, scheming, plotting, cover ups, and scandals fall into the lap of one person. We are NOT living in a communist country, run by a dictator. I've never heard Bush addressed as "King Bush," or "Your Royal Highness Bush."
He's not the only man on the totem pole, not the only tin can on the dump, and certainly not the only jackass sittin' on his assss up in Washington. It was not his sole decision to invade Iraq, but by golly, if he hadn't approved it, the American people would have been foaming at the mouth, wanting to know why our loved ones lost and injured in 9/11 weren't being avenged. Either way, no matter how you "shake the chicken" he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

candyaquino read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 9:49 AM

THANK YOU HAWKEYE..FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS AND NOW THAT YOU ARE NOT ALONE IN YOUR MENTALITY IS A SHAME THESE IDIOTS DEMOCRAPS.refused to take any blame FOR WHAT'S GOING ON TODAY....I can only pray THAT OUR PRESIDENT BUSH...gets what he deserves and captures that SOB BIN LADIN.....

Twizlled read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 9:58 AM

Sorry but Saddam did do awful things to his people, he deserved to die. We were appalled by what Hitler did, and the crimes he committed..Saddam was NO DIFFERENT. And Deb you are so correct, Bush is not the only one to allegedly blame. Look to the CIA that was informing our president, with false info from my understanding?
And I remember the speeches shortly after 911, WE WERE TOLD this wasnt going to be easy! We were told this war was a totally different beast, and would NOT be won in 21 days!!!!
Our President told us that to keep them from fighting on our soil, we WOULD HUNT THEM DOWN!
And I think his full intention is to do that!
What did the almighty Clinton do?????? Slap on the wrist and protocol as usual.
Wake up people!

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 18, 2008 | 10:02 AM

Actually Mr.Historical Hotshot..NEW evidence suggest that Hitler may well have benn a victim of WWI Chemical/Biological Warfare..His Insanity may well stem from his exposure to this as a corporal..

"Early on, most "insurgents" were Iraqis who wanted to kick the "invaders" out of Iraq"

MOST combatants were TERRORISTS from other countries and the reletively FEW Local Insurgents were Former Saddam holdovers trying to protect their interrests..And their numbers in Iraq are DEMINISHING,,NOT increasing...

There WAS a spike but it was shortlived and COMPLETELY ineffectual..

NOTHING that you say is a "widely accepted view "..It is JUST the LOUDEST view expressed by Big Mouthed Bushwhackers MORE intent on bringing Down the President then they are the Terrorists...

Fortuntely..Your assertion of the majority of American Opinion is ALSO a Lie and people like YOU are every bit as irrelevant as they are ignored..

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 18, 2008 | 10:36 AM

Let me throw out a question here..RIGHT after the war started there were attacks in Bali,, Spain ( that INFLUENCE the elections there),, London and a few other places around the World....MAJOR attacks..9/11 Type attacks…They were ALL over the NEWS…We heard ALL about THEM and we heard ALL about HOW it was ALL our fault too…Terrorists attacking a BAR in BALI was somehow OUR Fault,, NOT the fault of the Terrorists themselves…It’s ALWAYS OUR Fault to the Yds of the World..
Hell..EVEN 9/11 was OUR Fault to them..

NOW,,,
WE hear,, correctly,, that we have NOT had another Major Terrorist’s Attack on U.S. Soil since the 9/11 attack..

But tell me..ANYBODY …..HOW long has it been since we heard of a Major SUCCESSFUL Terrorist's Attack against civilian Targets that DIDN'T occur in the War zone..

ANYWHERE....ANYWHERE in the WORLD at ALL….

The SIMPLE Fact is,,,NOT only are WE safer here in the United States but the REST of the World is safer too..

WE have heard of PLOTS and PLANS that WOULD have been SICCESSFUL had the YDs of the world had their way and their PHONEY Alarmists WAILINGS about their PHONEY "Rights" being taken away had NOT been seen for what they were and COMPLETELY rejected by the people and IGNORED..

Instead..WE hear of FOILED plots instead of SEEING Burning Buildings..

Does THAT sound like an al-Queada that’s STRONGER then it was when it SUCCESSFULLY penetated the SOVEREIGNTY and SUCURITY of the United States and Brought down the Tallest buildings In the Biggest City in the WORLD??

I THINK NOT……..
The YDs of the world are LYING..

al-Queada

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 18, 2008 | 10:38 AM

al-Queada is LOSING this War NOW just as They ALWAYS have been LOSING this War..

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 11:03 AM

The result of NOT invading Iraq would have been :

A focused effort to rid Afghanistan of the Taliban and to pursue Bin Laden until we killed the bastard.

To have attacked the terrorists wherever they hide, Somalia, Sudan and any other country who offered them sanctuary.

Instead NONE of this happened and we are in another can't win war.

Hawk, an accurate assessment to which YOU find troubling does not constitute a LIE. I know the truth hurts, but kiss it and it will be better.

DeborahLakeHelen read my blog view my photos
Jun 18, 2008 | 11:28 AM

Hawk, isn't it amazing how clouded the vision of some people can be? I guess that's what happens when you PEE all over YOURSELF, and turn yourself YELLOW, it clouds your thinking process too!

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 18, 2008 | 11:49 AM

YD knows exactly what he's doing,, DEB..
He KNOWS that what he's saying isn't the Truth... IF his vision is clouded it IS so by his Obsessive Hatred..

WHY Yd,,WHY should we Spread the War and the terorists out all over Africa,,and our OWN forces in the bargain??

WHY should we ADOPT a Militarilly suicidal Plan when we're WINNING the WAR in Iraq NOW??


WHY is killing the SAME Terrorists in Somalia, Sudan and any other country who offered them sanctuary MORE important then Killing them in Iraq where we have them ALL in ONE place if not to GUARRENTEE Losing the War???

Something you Wild Eyed Liberals have been working for since the War began...

Your Argument is FLAWED at BEST..MISLEADING to be SURE and Motivated NOT by a realistic assessment of the TRUTH but by the UNREALISTIC Hatred that YOU have for your OWN President...

A HATRED that EXTENDS in the form of the AIDING and Abetting of the enemies of America,,it's PEOPLE and the entire CIVILIZED World.....

You take your Brand of Hatred WAY TOO far...

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