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Allah or Jesus? By Rick Mathes The Muslim religion in the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States , especially in the minority races!!! Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?" There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, "Non-believers!" I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in Heaven. Is that correct?" The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of "a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar." He sheepishly replied, "Yes." I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in Heaven.” The Imam was speechless. I continued, "I also have problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be there with me?" You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'Diversification' training seminar were not happy with Rick's way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs. In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President! I think everyone in the US should be required to read this but with the liberal justice system, liberal media, and the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized. Please pass this on to all your e-mail contacts. This is a true story and the author, Rick Mathes, is a well known leader in prison ministry
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northton read my blog view my photos
Mar 24, 2007 | 11:09 PM

A jihad can, and does to most muslims, mean a war in the mind against sin. A holy war against evil. This is the same fight all good men have in their lives.

Also, Mohammed and Jesus, or Jehova and Allah, would have been a better comparison.

I suggest you meet some muslims, before making up your mind about them. Please realize that there ARE many Christians who think all muslims should die. It is the same on both sides. But don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself.

This is a really unfair and lame post, that shows a very narrow stereotypical view of other people.

brotherben read my blog view my photos
Mar 24, 2007 | 11:39 PM

Exactly I agree with northton by the way Allah is another word for god so are you comparing god and jesus.

Spectre read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2007 | 12:17 AM

Actually it's a rather provocative post. I'm somewhat circumspect of the Imam's frankness. In my experience, and this is what troubles me the most with Muslims, is their "slick" wordsmithing about the Koran's meanings. Paleeeeze don't give me the Old Testament Comparison. Jesus' message was of salvation and love --- not a message against any particular beliefs or cultures or “warfare” against non-believers….
Yes, it’s true that Radicalized Islamists are not representative of all Muslims. However, I am troubled by the “silence” of good Muslims…Isn’t it time for them to step up with a “not in our name” shout? Unfortunately, I see continued growth in radical Islam, (Islamofacists). Again, look at the recent plots in the U.K. These were 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims BORN in THE U.K. Furthermore, much of the funding for these radicals came from Muslim professionals, (e.g. Doctor’s, Engineers, and Professors).

northton read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2007 | 4:55 AM

I agree, Spectre, the tone of the post is more of a forwarded email than a real conversation.

As for the funding for terrorism: Perhaps in an organized religious effort, those with money will TEND to buy their salvation, while the poorer ones TEND to pay with their lives?

Still, I continue to suggest that this life is real, while all else is conjecture.

BritinUS read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2007 | 7:55 AM

Your exactly right, it was an enmail.. maybe propaganda..maybe not...But it makes you wonder how truthful muslims are with Christians?

jfore read my blog
Mar 25, 2007 | 8:27 AM

Remember this, the Muslims who practice the "religion of love" as it has been known amonmg liberals --and there are a lot of them -- DO NOT practice true Islam as it is presented in the Koran. There are Christians who ignore the parts of the Bible they don't like as there are Muslims who ignore the parts of the Koran they don't like. When all the water boils out of the pot, al Qaeda's form of Islsam is closer to the true Islam practiced by Mohammed than the less violent form of Islam that is practiced by the majority of Muslims today. But, since the Koran does teach Muslims to kill unbelievers, especially Jews and Christians, the more peaceful Muslims can't deny it because it's in their book. That's why they find it so hard to condemn Islamic terrorism. In every country in the world where the government is controlled by Muslims, the Muslims gained control by armed force. Are we next?

Hawkeye read my blog
Mar 25, 2007 | 8:37 AM

A jihad IS and always has been a declaration of War against whoever and whatever the leaders of the Muslim Faith say..
All very well to say that it is a War against sin until you realize that the GREATEST sin to the Muslim Faith is to BE non-Muslim...

2wheeler read my blog
Mar 25, 2007 | 10:02 AM

I agree with northton and add three words to describe this post: SHALLOW, BIGOTED, and CLUELESS.

LQQKING read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2007 | 10:26 AM

Quotes From The Koran

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)


The Religion of Peace

burnstorm read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2007 | 11:07 AM

Excellent post LQQing. ....on the subject of “non violent” followers of Allah, I remind you that siting by and “doing nothing” or in this case giving your money to an on going “war” against all infidels is equal to participation.
If your preacher (of any faith) teaches hate death and violence (it happened in Bithlo not long ago) and you do nothing, the blood is still on your hands.
It is all about definition to Christians “tolerance” is possible because people who do not believe will be punished by god after death. In Islam if you do not believe you are not a human being.....one of my favorite lines is “worth less than a cow in the eyes of Allah “ (cant remember whether it was in the book of Woman or Poet)

DeborahLakeHelen read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2007 | 1:00 PM

Great post, Brit!
Good homework, LQQKING! I also have a copy of the Koran, and here are a few more of their vile verses condemning those who are not Muslim:
"Some of us are Muslims, and some are wrongdoers. Those that embrace Islam are on the right path, but those who do wrong will become the fuel of Hell" The Jinn
"As for them that have earned evil, evil shall be rewarded with like evil" "Jonah"
"And all these natioms! We destroyed them when they did wrong; yet of their imminent destruction we gave them warning." "The Cave"
"Believers, do not make friends with those who are enemies of mine and yours. Would you show them kindness when they have denied the truth that has been revealed to you ...? "She Who Is Tested"
Muslims believe there is only one way: Their way! There is nothing peaceful about Islam, when it teaches it followers to kill those who don't believe what they do. The only Muslims I'm interested in sharing company with, these days, are those who have converted to Christianity. It's hard to trust any other Muslims, knowing deep down, they'd love to slit my throat! I have known true Muslims in the past, and I do know some who are converted today!

sipedo read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2007 | 1:06 PM

Rest assured, as someone who has read the Koran (Quran), it IS the mission of ISLAM to KILL the infidel. While I agree, this sounds like a forwarded email, and may be a work of fiction, the elements of the writing is true. I have said it before, and I will keep on saying. Islam is not about peace. They want everyone to convert to Islam or be killed. I grew up in the Detroit Area, I have witnessed first hand what they are about. They are not our friends. Islam is an enemy to anyone who seeks to worship their own god in their own way. Anyone who disagrees is simply fooling themselves.

sipedo read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2007 | 1:08 PM

BTW, Dearborn, Michigan, right next to Detroit has the largest Middle Eastern population outside of the Middle Eastern. This includes Arab Muslims, Arab Chaldeans(Christian/Catholic).

sipedo read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2007 | 1:28 PM

From a non-muslim perspective, Allah and Jehovah are not the same god. Allah is the name of a moon god or something like that.

Northton, I know many muslims. Trust me, they are not our friends.

polecatextreme read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2007 | 3:07 PM

northon! you have your head so far up your posterior that you need a scuba tank to breathe. I am neither christian or islamic, but even I can tell the difference between love and forgive, and slay all unbelievers! and I know which one I would prefer!

BritinUS read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2007 | 7:51 PM

Sipedo, do you Remember during the first Gulf war..well the One that went "south" the Muslims were in the streets of dearborn...burning the American Flag and chanting Death to America...yeah and they are SOOOOOO PEACE LOVING...
POLE..your are so Extremely Right about Northon!

burnstorm read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2007 | 11:33 PM

Lets not forget Minnesota's contribution to the “browning” of America, they have the fastest growing population of Muslims in the country and gave us our first (openly LOL) Muslim congress-Terrorist !

Hey sipedo , I often use the name Allah (because that is the one used in both my copy of the Quran and “The Holy Koran” ) is this not right? Should I be using a different name ?

burnstorm read my blog view my photos
Mar 25, 2007 | 11:40 PM

And lets not be to hard on Northton his hatred of Christianity and now open positive support of Islam (betraying just about everything he has ever tried to say about “fairness” and “equal crimes of Islam and Gentiles” LOL) ..........he serves a prime example of how far we have slipped into the idiocy that will destroy this country........”.My enemies Friend IS in fact my Enemy”
Sorry kid you crossed the line and even with out a towel on your head it still belongs on the chopping block along with your “BUD” OBL* !

In no way is intended to perpetuate the fantasy that OBL is still alive!

sipedo read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2007 | 2:11 AM

Burn, yes I remember the muzzies in Dearborn burning our flag. They celebrated 9/11 too. Muzzies are definitely NOT our friends.

pkpiano2
Mar 26, 2007 | 7:01 AM

Satan has to have everything like God...He will have the anti-christ, Muslim is his religion. They preach hatred and death, Christianity preaches love and eternity.

gman read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2007 | 1:49 PM

Wow, this disappeared fast (off the main page – so did mine – I may pull a Blogger faux-pas and re-post it in traffic – it’s ridiculous!). Don’t know if others will see this but at least my friend BritinUS will.

Regardless whether these events are true (I doubt it – that Imam would have had to have been very stupid), the Muslims are either chanting “Kill Christians/Americans/British [et al]” for the World to see, quietly plotting to do so and teaching their children how to do so, throwing rocks at smoldering bleeding bodies of coalition solders who are trying to save their countries for them, or quietly sitting behind the scenes while at best looking the other way accepting that HUGE & growing numbers of their brethren are doing the dirty work for them in the name of THEIR PRECIOUS “PEACEFUL” RELIGION and/or funding it all. We don’t need to KNOW them personally to know this – they’ve demonstrated it well!

Take a second to think about this: They have the nerve to preach/chant/rant & rave to KILL God’s creations . . . IN GOD’S NAME! And in the name of their religion and salvation. There is nothing more despicable, twisted, perverse, or evil than that! How can they expect to be rewarded by GOD for maliciously murdering His own creations? They are demons and should be very afraid.

The definition of infidel as even we define it (Websters):
Infidel – an unbeliever in a religion

So to Muslims, that means ALL NON-MUSLIMS! And obviously they even apply it to other Muslims with slightly different beliefs or ethnicities. They are demons amongst us.

IAmTheWalrus read my blog
Mar 26, 2007 | 2:39 PM

that is so fake. Its like the one where the brainwashed creationist kid tells his college professor why Evolution is a bunch of lies from the Devil. I do not believe this is anywhere near being real.

northton read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2007 | 9:39 PM

I can feel the heat! I use it to tan myself. ;)

Your post is Racist, bigited, and a lie to boot.

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Mar 28, 2007 | 10:43 PM

Most people condenm verses in the Quaran by quoting out of context. The entire meaning of "kill the infidels" is "when they invade your country". I suspect Americans would kill "infidels" who invaded our country.

There are lots of evil committed in the name of Allah and a fair amount of evil committed in the name of God and yes, even in the name of Jesus - Christian Identity, Arian Nation, KKK, Rev. Fred Phelps and don't forget Pat Robertson who advoctes the murder of foreign leaders whom he disapproves of.

The quote is obviously a lie but even if true, it would not speak for the majority of Muslims.

The ultimate judge of all faiths is the God who will meet us at the pearly gates.

gman read my blog view my photos
Apr 1, 2007 | 10:32 PM

Clicked back by this Blog when, to my surprise, I saw that more posts were submitted. Perhaps some would rather keep their comments out of the crucible. By the looks of it, that seems like a sound decision. Don’t know who will see this but I can’t let those comments go unopposed.

As I’ve said previously, I do not believe this account to be true either and I am not defending it in any way. I am commenting on the discussion it has prompted.

Northton:
“Racist”? This has been pointed out around here countless times. To be a racist, race must be involved for starters. And one must base his/her irrational statements entirely upon the race in focus. Discussing a behavior exhibited generally by a race, religion, or by a uniquely identifiable simple collective of people does not constitute racism and there’s nothing morally wrong about it. Moving along, “Muslim” is not a RACE! Unless you are unimaginably inexperienced and uninformed, you must be aware of that.

“bigited”? I assume you mean “bigoted” but you COULD be making up your own words here. It certainly would be consistent with your self-serving incorrect usage. A bigot is one who is fanatically devoted to a group (religious, political, racial) and is intolerant of those who differ. I suppose you could ALMOST get away with your malapropism if you consider those who are opposed to a religion’s mandates and its glorification of murder of all non-believers to be “intolerant”. But then you would also have to consider those who speak out against such murderous beliefs to be fanatics. See the problem here?

gman read my blog view my photos
Apr 1, 2007 | 10:33 PM

That would make YOU insane for one (or hopefully just lacking an argument and much of a vocabulary). Second, by your usage/definition, being a “bigit” would be a very good thing! And any reasonable person would be your “bigit”. As for the word, “bigot”, it couldn’t be better applied than to members of a group that fosters intolerance to the point of mandating murderous ambitions at the core of its beliefs – whether they’re the one’s committing the murders directly or simply belonging to a religion that demonstrates this cowardly murderous ambition all over the non-Muslim World.

All you’ve done by resorting to irrational nonsensical name-calling is to shine a spotlight upon your inability to present a counter-argument.

gman read my blog view my photos
Apr 1, 2007 | 10:35 PM

Yellodog:
You have a talent for making gratuitous assertions (making things up). Here, you counter the quotes you refer to with your opinion but misrepresent it as fact. Why don’t you point us to the Islamic dogma that places the condition of “when they invade your country” on the killing of infidels. We’ll wait. And while you’re at it, why don’t you tell the Muslims in Canada, London, Spain, Bali, Indonesia, Malaysia, France, Australia, Russia, the ones here, etc. etc. because they evidently missed that passage too. By the way: infidel – an unbeliever in a religion. That’s how Muslims have so clearly defined it and that’s how it is defined in English (and obviously Worldwide).

You “suspect Americans would kill "infidels" who invaded our country”. Your ignorance is truly amazing. How do you come up with this stuff? What reason do you have to believe that non-Muslim Americans (I assume that’s what you meant) would kill infidels – those who do not follow the AMERICAN RELIGION? And what IS the non-Muslim American Religion that we would all get behind so that we could identify the infidels to kill? We Americans are all infidels to each other. Yet non-Muslim Americans don’t kill each other! Evidently (convincingly demonstrated) Muslims amongst us feel they are exempt however.

I’m sure we Americans WOULD defend ourselves against INVADERS; infidels (if we could reach a consensus on that) or not. On the other hand, let’s say for argument’s sake we have an insane tyrannical dictator who tests biological and chemical weapons such as mustard gas, chlorine bombs,

gman read my blog view my photos
Apr 1, 2007 | 10:36 PM

and several kinds of horrifying nerve toxins on entire suburbs of people he doesn’t like (but he first gets them used to hiding in holes in the ground with conventional bombing raids because the heavier-than-air gases would concentrate in the holes). And lets say his sons murder men outside of nightclubs in order to rape their wives unopposed. And lets say his sons arrange to have our 12 year-old daughters to be taken from their schools so that they could rape them – over and over until they tire of them. And lets say that he and his sons murder anyone who is perceived to have political ambitions including their own family members. (We all know that even Saddam thought his son went too far for murdering his own uncle and punished him by torching his garage full of Sportcars – right? Or do you live on an uncharted island with internet access only to the Blog section on Fox’s websites?) I’m sure if someone came along and removed those tyrants from power, we would thank them and do everything we could to assist them in building a fair govt. for ourselves and in protecting and securing our country. I doubt that we would instead teach our children to set up road-blocks so that our neighbors could murder them. And drag the wounded or dead out of the rubble so we could beat them to death and encourage our children to pummel them with rocks because they are INFIDELS who do not follow our beliefs (and dance around the bodies holding up signs that say “Death to the Infidels” before the World’s press). I would hope that we would not be so driven by murderous religious mandate

gman read my blog view my photos
Apr 1, 2007 | 10:38 PM

and lust that we would rather MURDER those who are trying to place a stable country in our hands than to HELP THEM HELP US. Non-Muslim Americans have no such mandates nor do we demonstrate the will to murder based on religious beliefs. Time to leave your demented imagination and return to reality Dog.

As we’ve all read by now (quotes all over the place) the Muslims teach, glorify, and mandate the murder of non-Muslims: God’s creations. But more importantly THEY say so to the World when they feel safe to do so, they chant; rant; and rave about it, and they demonstrate those ambitions all over the World while their followers just continue to support and follow and plan and finance and prepare.

No one said there are no evil people who happen to follow one religion/group/political party or another. There are people with evil ambitions everywhere. And the civilized World is outraged and does NOT tolerate it (Northton’s “bigits”). There’s a HUGE difference between an evil individual who brings his unrelated evil thoughts to a good religion and a RELIGION that mandates murder! In this case we have a wide-spread RELIGION that teaches intolerance to the point of MURDER! And large numbers of it’s followers are engaged in planning an carrying-out those ambitions all over the World. And guess how the World feels about that. Like it or not Dog, the World is not tolerating it.

As for the “peace-loving” Muslims: They JUST KEEP FOLLOWING don’t they?! If my religion was committing lustful murders all over the World and I didn’t approve (was truly “peace-loving”), I wo

gman read my blog view my photos
Apr 1, 2007 | 10:39 PM

I would LEAVE IT!

Maybe you should remind the Muslims that they will be judged by God. And when you do, ask them how they think God will feel about them murdering his creations or idly watching it all happen while continuing to follow along – in the name of a religion. Do they think God will excuse them?

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BritinUS

Born in the North of England, raised in Michigan and Living in Florida wow what a combo.. My entire Family are very important to me...I have two older Brothers that Served in the USMC back in the 80s. My Husband Served in The Us Army For 8 yrs and last was stationed in Germany and did a tour of Duty in Bosnia, He got out before the First Iraq conflict I guess you can say Im a proud BRITISH/AMERICAN...more so on the American. I still eat Bangers and Mash, and Pang for Good Fish n Chips... My Son who is in Preschool speaks with a slight british accent due to being raised around my still very british parents...and he likes bangers and mash too... I love my Family very much I love Animals.. I love GOD and everything he has brought to us..and that what is yet to come... I am very opinionated, and straight shooter.... I don't like People who take advantage of others kindness ( that includes taking advantage of the US govt) I speak English , thats my only language, i can speak a few words of Spanish and French but just enough to get by... other than that .. you can read my blog

Member Since: 7/19/2006